tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post2199623117289075345..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: I Like These Two Guys But.....Not ThisBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-43021561904289553682010-01-21T09:04:18.363-05:002010-01-21T09:04:18.363-05:00Dylan, I decided to write a whole lot of words for...Dylan, I decided to write a whole lot of words for Thursday on some of those same issues. Clayton's article confused me, primarily because he only used postseason data and was very arbitrary in his rankings.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-6417245581378776172010-01-20T22:39:35.089-05:002010-01-20T22:39:35.089-05:00I'm glad I'm not the only one who could no...I'm glad I'm not the only one who could not stand Clayton's article. I don't understand how he attempts to rank these players. Manning can pass Brady if he wins the Super Bowl. If he doesn't, does that really make him less great of a QB? Football is a team game. Put Dan Marino on the Patriots of the early 2000's, and he becomes the greatest QB in history. Brett Favre is having a great year not because hes all of a sudden resurrected, but because he has a ferocious defense and the best RB in the game. For argument's sake, I would put Manning over Brady already. Quarterbacks should be rated by who you would rather have, and outside of a few seasons where Brady was out of his mind, I'd take Manning almost every time.Dylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521399272029891606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-26829770663971186162010-01-20T08:20:26.658-05:002010-01-20T08:20:26.658-05:00Martin, you just had to tell me about that article...Martin, you just had to tell me about that article didn't you? That article was pretty bad, I may have to see if I can take a shot at it.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-23623911443873056542010-01-19T22:18:06.468-05:002010-01-19T22:18:06.468-05:00John Clayton has an interesting article up right n...John Clayton has an interesting article up right now on tWWL about the Top 10 Qb's of all time, and by interesting, I mean terrible. It's like reading an article by a 65 year old baseball writer. He does everything but call Brett Favre "gritty". He meanders all over the place, rates guys based on Super Bowl wins...and then doesn't. Jsut really badly done. Disappointed by Clayton.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-47622374797932521792010-01-19T19:07:35.385-05:002010-01-19T19:07:35.385-05:00Rulebook, that's an interesting way of looking...Rulebook, that's an interesting way of looking at it. It's also a very accurate way to look at it. I know the Panthers are going to into their last year on Fox's contract and everyone is nervous about the team, so I would imagine for a college student a coach in the last year of his contract pretty much means he won't end up staying at the school. I can't recall a non-retiring coach having his contract expire. <br /><br />I wish you could email Peter King and make this great point to him, that most contracts have to be broken in one form or another so as not to damage recruiting. <br /><br />Texas Tech pretty much hated Leach and gave him a contract extension because having a guy they hated for a few more seasons was better than having a lame duck coach. <br /><br />You make a great point a/b PK as well. I wish he could realize this, but he won't. <br /><br />Look, I hate Lane Kiffin and think he is a recruiting violation waiting to happen. I was surprised he took the UT job and was surprised less when he left it. He's an ass and possibly may not be a good coach, but he can recruit and has a great defensive coordinator (his dad), so he is an attractive candidate. There is no way to get out of a contract in college football other than to break it like this and you are right. <br /><br />Kent, don't get me wrong, I like Brian Kelly more than Lane Kiffin, but Stewart Mandel treats them very different from each other. I am not sure Kelly making his intentions known makes it any better for me. From a ND/UT perspective I can see the outrage, but I can't understand why Mandel didn't have the same perception of both. <br /><br />Kelly landed at ND softer because he has more class and is a quieter person, while Kiffin doesn't. I still think UT is in good shape as far as recruiting. Derek Dooley is going to be a good coach. <br /><br />You are exactly right a/b the defenses a QB faces in the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Plus, Whitlock is comparing Manning to the best of the best. So being middle of the pack in that group isn't a bad thing...so maybe based on the postseason Manning isn't the best ever, I don't think it should reflect on his career more than the regular season. <br /><br />I compared Brady's Super Bowl performances to Joe Montana...no offense to Brady but he isn't in the same league. Montana was fantastic in the Super Bowl and I never realized it. Kurt Warner was just a few steps below him, which surprised me.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-8605188853521779232010-01-19T18:15:00.428-05:002010-01-19T18:15:00.428-05:00I think part of the reason that Kiffin has been vi...I think part of the reason that Kiffin has been vilified and Kelly has gotten mixed reviews over their manner of leaving (Full disclosure: Kelly is now the coach of my college's team, while Kiffin coaches our rival) is the surprise value. Once Notre Dame was sure they were going to change coaches (if not after the third loss, certainly after the fourth) Kelly was the most likely candidate, and he never hid his interest in the job. Cincinnati had time to get used to the notion of losing their coach, even if they didn't want it to happen, while the Kiffin move happened out of the blue. Not saying that makes Kelly any more ethical in his departure, just the perception is a little different.<br /><br />One of the reasons QB ratings for Super Bowls trend lower than the regular season is the QB is facing a better-than-average defense in the Super Bowl compared to the season. Most Super Bowl teams have an excellent defense or they wouldn't have made it, and it is rarer for a team with an awful defense to make it than people think. <br /><br />And in light of that, holy hell but Montana's numbers in the Super Bowl were great. I mentioned a while back one of the problems pro scouts had with Montana come draft time was his perceived inconsistency, and in a way it shows with how he was able to raise his game when he needed to. What does a 127.8 rating translate to when playing a defense like, say, the Lions? 892.9?* Joe had a tendency to play down a little to weak competition, then step it up when he needed.<br /><br />* I know QB ratings don't go that high, I'm being sarcastic.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-19650815370634050402010-01-19T15:19:15.887-05:002010-01-19T15:19:15.887-05:00I don't know why I have never seen this argume...I don't know why I have never seen this argument made, but college coaching contracts are not the same as regular working-world contracts. The problem with coaching contracts is that if they are close to expiring, they hamper recruiting. A coach with one year left on his contract will not only hurt himself in his last season, but will hurt the school as well by having a poor recruiting class, as no student wants to attend a school with a guaranteed coaching overhaul. When was the last time anyone can recall a coach's contract expiring?<br /><br />The only way for a coach to leave a school without severely damaging himself or the school is to leave mid-contract. Otherwise, once a coach got a job at any school, he would be stuck there until he got fired. It's a crappy system, but there is no real solution.<br /><br />For example, after last season, Mike Leach was nearly fired for refusing to accept a contract extension. He was willing to play out the last year of the contract, and move on, and that was so unacceptable, Texas Tech nearly fired him before they gave in to his demands (and that bitterness sparked the firing this year).<br /><br />Peter King says that he would never break his contract to make more money. That's great, and I'd like to think I wouldn't do it either. However, if King had to have 4 years remaining on his contract at all times in order to fully do his job, all of a sudden, breaking the contract doesn't seem like such a bad idea.<br /><br />Coaches cannot have expiring contracts and recruit top players. Coaches can be fired by the university mid-contract. Therefore, coaches should be able to go to another school mid-contract, and not be vilified for doing so. This seems so simple to understand, yet I've never seen this mentioned by any sports writer.<br /><br />I am a graduate student at the University of Tennessee, yet I can see that Kiffin cannot be faulted for going to his dream job. However, somehow, national sportswriters are enraged by such gall. At some point, everyone has to understand that there is no fair solution, and just accept it. There is no reason to be angry.Thilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439591828137103506noreply@blogger.com