tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post2289532341900430187..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: When Is Changing Your Favorite Team Acceptable?Bengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-80740243034272457872012-07-23T09:32:06.464-04:002012-07-23T09:32:06.464-04:00Rich, Lin was pretty good this year but he is a tu...Rich, Lin was pretty good this year but he is a turnover-prone point guard who (at least to me) feels like more flash than substance. He can be great, but I'm not sure if I would give him a contract after such a limited time of playing at a high level. Most other teams this year didn't see this coming, so I doubt he became an All-Star point guard magically overnight. I guess we'll see though. <br /><br />The media is doing the same thing with Lin they did for Backup QB Jets. They are blaming the team for his issues rather than him. Lin wanted to be a Knick, provided they had paid him enough money to be a Knick. <br /><br />You have moved 14 times in 26 years. I hate moving. It must be hell trying to follow your favorite teams. <br /><br />Nick, I have a love-hate with Bill Simmons. He's talented, but I think a lot of his talent gets eaten up by his egoism and attempts to be the funniest guy in the room at all times. If he stuck to writing like I know he can write I would have no issue with him, but it seems he prefers to name-drop, show off his massive ego and always be the funniest guy in the room. <br /><br />Wait, was that a sarcastic question? <br /><br />Ace, in reality anyone can change teams however they want to. I'm not the sheriff on these matters, but if I start a discussion with someone who is a bandwagon jumper it more than frustrates me. That's why I gave those arbitrary rules. <br /><br />It is sort of gutsy to choose the team that lost the NBA's best player to free agency and didn't seem to have a backup plan. At least you got Kyrie Irving now. He's one of my favorite NBA players. I really like the direction the Cavs seem to be going. I'm not a huge Waiters fan, but otherwise they appear to be making strides. <br /><br />I won't be surprised if some NJ Nets fan start jumping ship. It's not only Knicks fans that could jump to the Nets, Nets fans with no ties to Brooklyn may choose another team too.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-1034698949283802342012-07-23T03:23:28.245-04:002012-07-23T03:23:28.245-04:00"2. Your favorite team proves over a decade-l..."2. Your favorite team proves over a decade-long span they don't deserve your support. By this, I mean your favorite team hasn't either made the playoffs or has such bad ownership you choose to no longer support the team. By "bad ownership" I don't mean "your team isn't winning titles anymore, but is merely making the playoffs." Ownership has to clearly be screwing the team over to the point the team can't be competitive.<br /><br />3. This one is a maybe. If your favorite team moves out of town. I live in North Carolina. If the Carolina Panthers moved to Los Angeles, then it could be understood why I am choosing a new team. To be honest, this idea is so unfathomable to me that I would switch I can't even imagine I wouldn't still be a fan of the new Los Angeles Panthers. This is a tough call because simply moving out of town in an age when a person can choose to see every game their favorite team plays on television doesn't seem entirely defensible. I guess it depends on how the team left town."<br /><br />I have to say that 2 and 3 would somewhat apply to me when I used to be a Nets fan. I am from New Jersey so the whole local team thing is what drew me to them...well that and the extremely cheap tickets to watch them lose by 20 almost every night. <br /><br />I jumped from that ship when I realized that the ownership and front office cared way more about moving to Brooklyn then winning in New Jersey. I know I know, it's New Jersey, but it still felt like a slap to the face of existing Nets fans. So yeah after about...2007 is when I stopped following them, and I didn't have a favorite team for a while. I also have no connection to Brooklyn whatsoever so that's why I don't care much for the move.<br /><br />Jump to 2010 and the Cavaliers just lost LeBron to the Heat, and I don't have a favorite team. Despite the fact that they flirted with history for being the worst team in NBA history I felt like they were a likable underdog that needed the support more than ever. So I began following them and before I knew it I became a "fan". <br /><br />So there's my small tale about how I became a Cavs fan despite not living in Cleveland. The reasons do seem weak, but I really do like underdog teams.Acenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-9900347690829944362012-07-21T00:34:20.316-04:002012-07-21T00:34:20.316-04:00so do you like Bill Simmons or not?so do you like Bill Simmons or not?Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-72177452042920750062012-07-20T18:56:22.194-04:002012-07-20T18:56:22.194-04:00Under what should heretofore be referred to as the...<b>Under what should heretofore be referred to as the Lin-Dolan Clause of Desperate Fandom, a team switch should be allowed under extraordinary circumstances.</b><br /><br />Giving 100M to Amare is a far worse idea than letting Lin walk. Lin might be even more overhyped and overrated than Tebow at this point.<br /><br />He started 25 games, in 6 of those games he had 7 or more TOs; in 6 he shot under 33%. So basically he got 25M for 19 starts that range from average to great.<br /><br /><b>(1) a backbreaking, morale-obliterating move by an utterly incompetent owner who has zero regard for his fan constituency,</b><br /><br />The Knicks finished the year 9 and 4 without Lin in the lineup. <br /><br />You know what's morale-obliterating? Your starting PG skipping the playoffs because he's only at 85%, while Baron Davis played until his knee blew out.<br /><br />Probably the most amazing thing to me is that people are pissed the Knicks didn't match an offer specifically written so they wouldn't match it.<br /><br />The fact that Lin said "I wanted to be in NY" is really douchey. If he wanted to stay in NY, he wouldn't have signed an offer sheet written to make it hard for the Knicks to match. He wanted to get paid and the Rockets obliged.<br /><br />If he wanted to be a Knick, he signs the original four year offer (that was reworked because the Knicks would have matched) or he tells the Rockets that he won't sign the offer sheet that structured the deal 5M-5M-15M. <br /><br />If he wanted to be a Knick, he goes to Houston, hears the 3/25M offer, doesn't sign and goes back to the Knicks to work out a deal OR he refuses to sign until the deal is 8-8-9 or something.<br /><br />The fact that the media and fans are portraying Lin as this perfect being and the Knicks as the assholes is kind of nauseating.<br /><br /><b>(2) the arrival of another team within not only the immediate region, but the city borders.</b><br /><br />Um... the Nets already in the immediate region. They moved from being close to Manhattan to being... close to Manhattan.<br /><br /><b>Who are the locals?</b><br /><br />Ben got half the picture with regard to what happens to people without a local team, but what about people who move a lot?<br /><br />I have moved 14 times in 26 years... Who do I root for? Dallas? Chicago? St. Louis? NY? NJ? Boston?<br /><br />The reason you typically follow the "local" team is because you see them on TV, my dad was a Phillies/Flyers/Sixers/Giants fan, so I grew up following them. They weren't local and I don't give a fuck that they weren't.<br /><br /><b>the facility where the team plays</b><br /><br />Ya, it's a good thing the Giants got a new stadium, I may have had to become an Eagles fan...<br /><br /><b>his first-year production</b><br /><br />Nitpick alert: this was his second year.richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-22382228188540994332012-07-20T16:39:05.546-04:002012-07-20T16:39:05.546-04:00Jack, I feel like the Knicks shouldn't have go...Jack, I feel like the Knicks shouldn't have gone after Raymond Felton and focused on Jeremy Lin...but that was a tough contract in the 3rd year. I think Lin is an example of built-up anger that Knicks fans have towards management. I don't think it would be enough for me to jump ship, but I'm not a Knicks fan. I am not a believer that Linsanity would last and I think he won't live up to his contract on the court. Marketing-wise, he very well could. <br /><br />Steve, I try to block those two teams out. Dammit. For a guy who claims to watch college basketball I should missed that one. I hate those Florida teams. Can blocking it out be my excuse?Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-33627852515679015212012-07-20T15:25:45.537-04:002012-07-20T15:25:45.537-04:00Florida won back to back titles in 2006 and 2007. ...Florida won back to back titles in 2006 and 2007. Otherwise a good take down of the article/argument.Steve Spraguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02351733579955625677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-42526639281233059872012-07-20T15:22:56.541-04:002012-07-20T15:22:56.541-04:00"Here, we have two: (1) a backbreaking, moral..."Here, we have two: (1) a backbreaking, morale-obliterating move by an utterly incompetent owner who has zero regard for his fan constituency"<br /><br />Mark Lisanti is obviously an ass-clown. I don't care how exciting Lin was while with the Knicks, if their decision to let him go is enough to make you jump ship, then you are a shitty Knicks fan. People love to remember the first couple of weeks of Linsanity but fail to mention how the league quickly caught up to him and figured out how to defend him. <br /><br />The Knicks have made some dumbass personnel moves, but not matching Houston's ungodly offer for Lin isn't one of them.jacktotheracknoreply@blogger.com