tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post2671766975085773453..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Karma Is a BitchBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-86533411762240095782009-08-30T03:18:08.592-04:002009-08-30T03:18:08.592-04:00I think the Hall stopped being important when the ...I think the Hall stopped being important when the public was able to start utilizing things like logic, numbers and stats on their own, and not having to rely on the bill "F'ing" Plashke's of the world to tell them who the great players are. Seriously, if it was 40 years ago, there'd be guys pushing for The Furious Ball of Grit and Determination to be a Hall of Famer. So he doesn't have the stats...he has the WILL!!<br /><br />As the public becomes more educated, it does things like line up Rice to Parker and goes "Um, so why is one and not the other?" "Hey, this Blyleven guy, his numbers are the shiz..and you haven't voted him in because....he threw curveballs? Didn't play in a major market so he got overlooked? Wait, what's the ding ding ding sound?" <br /><br />As the evidence of the uneducated, lazy, and sycophantic press piled up, their choices and defense of the players they did pick for the Hall only highlighted it's irrelavency. I mean, seriously, we get to hear fucking Joe Morgan try and tell me how Davey Concepcion should be in the god damned Hall, every god damned week on god damned ESPN Sunday Night Baseball, and we are suppossed to respect the Hall and the people who are putting guys in it? F me to tears.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-85654661014033196032009-08-28T08:14:50.771-04:002009-08-28T08:14:50.771-04:00AJ, look in the mail for the Hot N' Spicy Chee...AJ, look in the mail for the Hot N' Spicy Cheez-Its. I will double wrap them in bubble wrap so there is no chance any of them will break. They should be there in a couple of days. <br /><br />I sent the hot dogs already...I don't know why you don't have them. <br /><br />The HoF has dramatically dropped in significance in a lot of people's minds and really for good reason. I think it is only going to get worse as the PED users start to get voted/not get voted in. There are going to be those on both sides of that issue which will believe the Hall has lost significance by admitting/not admitting those players. <br /><br />Either way, I don't know how much the Hall will matter in a few years.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-27052237912354043052009-08-28T07:48:35.579-04:002009-08-28T07:48:35.579-04:00Oh sweet, more food being sent my way!!!
Still wa...Oh sweet, more food being sent my way!!!<br /><br />Still waiting on those hot dogs...AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16973629881511639449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-4903588033448106032009-08-28T05:09:53.162-04:002009-08-28T05:09:53.162-04:00BGF...Send AJ a box of Spicy Cheez-Its. He nailed...BGF...Send AJ a box of Spicy Cheez-Its. He nailed this one. <br /><br />Well said AJ.<br /><br />Rose should never be in the Hall. Not that the Hall matters anymore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-52247119032932585682009-08-27T16:47:09.047-04:002009-08-27T16:47:09.047-04:00That is very interesting as well. I was definitely...That is very interesting as well. I was definitely remiss in not investigating this Dowd fellow more than I did, which was google his name and see what he did in reference to Pete Rose. It seems he is a shady character himself. <br /><br />I don't like that you can find a baseball with both of their signatures on it. Even if they weren't in the same room when they signed, it still doesn't speak well that both of them would be willing to sign a baseball the other had signed as well. Nothing like trying to make a profit off a scandal of your own making I guess. <br /><br />You can be a Rose defender, I really don't care. If someone can give me a good case as to why he should be in the Hall of Fame, I would accept it. <br /><br />I think he should be in the Hall of Fame but he hasn't shown any remorse, so I understand why baseball has not relented. I don't like how he has Morgan and Schmidt fight the battle for him because he is too prideful to do it himself...or even quit gambling. <br /><br />Maybe there should be a whole other wing dedicated to those players who did use PEDs or something. Unfortunately corruption has tainted a lot of the baseball records and there is nothing we can do about it now except dilute the Hall of Fame by not letting great hitters in who would have made it anyway, like Barry Bonds, and consider guys who I don't think deserve it, like Omar Vizquel.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-54150471550964983522009-08-27T15:47:34.609-04:002009-08-27T15:47:34.609-04:00Bill James, in his Historical Abstract, argues aga...Bill James, in his Historical Abstract, argues against the Dowd Report, but I can't remember if he includes anything of a personal nature about Dowd. I'll see if I can find a reference to Dowd being disciplined by the bar for revealing confidential information about a client to another client who was suing the first. I read this in some legal publication some years ago, but it's probably on-line somewhere. Incidentally, you can buy baseballs signed by both Dowd and Rose together, which doesn't speak well of either.<br /><br />Please don't think I'm a big Rose defender. If I was absolute ruler of baseball, I wouldn't let him in, and I'd void the statistics of McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, et al, too. But corruption seems at the heart of the game.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-34742224771873461992009-08-27T14:23:08.667-04:002009-08-27T14:23:08.667-04:00I think if Childress benched Favre, ESPN would can...I think if Childress benched Favre, ESPN would cancel all shows and just focus on the aftermath of this event. So far Peter King has had no mention of this in his Tweets or online. It looks like if they don't break a story then SI doesn't cover it. I would like to know his point of view on it. <br /><br />I don't think Dale Murphy, Gil Hodges, Ron Santo, Jim Rice, Omar Vizquel, Ozzie Smith (yep), and many others should be in the Hall of Fame. I am for some of them making it so everyone will just shut up about it though. I haven't reached that point with Rose. A few years ago I think he should be in and now I am not sure. <br /><br />I would love to have some more information on Dowd, I didn't know he was shady. That could help me make my decision if I knew he had a personal stake in the reinstatement. <br /><br />That is a pretty good conspiracy theory. If Giamatti were alive you could accuse him of that to his face in a public place if you chose to do so...unfortunately we will all miss that event. <br /><br />AJ, I am with you. I think he is lying about betting on the Reds. If he is going to break the rules and gamble why would he stop at not betting on the Reds? That's where he could make the most money because he knows the state of the team and who may play well and who may not. If he really didn't bet on the Reds he was the dumbest and worst gambler ever. <br /><br />Even with the cheating and the cheaters that have made the HoF there is still idea the game is not fixed simply because of that. When a manager could fix a game though, that is a completely different story. <br /><br />I think all he cares about is money also. If he really cared to be involved with baseball, he would do what it took to get involved again and possibly make the Hall of Fame. He's not willing to do this though.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-61483388652460445142009-08-27T13:34:09.107-04:002009-08-27T13:34:09.107-04:00Rose should never and will never be in the HoF.
...Rose should never and will never be in the HoF. <br /><br />Though there is no evidence that I have seen that shows he bet against his own team, there also is no evidence that he didn't bet against his own team. I believe he did. And the more he says he didn't, the more I believe he did. <br /><br />If you managed a team, and you also were a hard core gambler, would you realistically think your team was going to win all 162 games? I'm not saying he bet on all 162, but being a gambler you have to know your team can not win them all...so why wouldn't he have bet against his own team?<br /><br />There are racists, cheaters, and low lifes in the HoF, but the one thing that will get you banned for life is gambling on the game or fixing the outcome of the game itself. Fixing games, or doing anything to the game where the outcome has yet to be decided goes against all aspects of a professional sport. <br /><br />He accepted the ban for life, now he should live with it. He makes more money not being in the HoF then if he was, which to me is what he is all about...making money.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16973629881511639449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-41712448770217996082009-08-27T13:23:06.420-04:002009-08-27T13:23:06.420-04:00If Childress benched Favre, the resulting media ex...If Childress benched Favre, the resulting media explosion would kill us all.<br /><br />I don't believe Rose is innocent by any means, but I wish they would vote him in so the issue would go away. If character matters that much, there wouldn't be very many players in the Hall, although Dale Murphy would be a lock. As I've said before, part of my feeling is the Hall is so diluted and compromised as to be near meaningless, but to each his own.<br /><br />I've always thought the weakest part of the case against Rose was the man who prepared the report against him, John Dowd. Dowd has been kind of a sleaze, and there have been rumors (no facts I could find) that Dowd had some kind of a personal grudge.<br /><br />If it doesn't go away soon, I'm going to make up and promote my own conspiracy theory, which is that Giamatti framed Rose in revenge for the Reds beating the Red Sox in the 75 World Series. :-)KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.com