tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post3023112404481744157..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Sunday Blogging While Drinking And Watching BaseballBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-51362004831878099552009-06-29T21:45:20.168-04:002009-06-29T21:45:20.168-04:00Fred, Cliff Corcoran told me he doesn't get to...Fred, Cliff Corcoran told me he doesn't get to pick the title of his topics so maybe Jeff is in the same boat with SI as well. I am not sure, but I do agree it is a far cry to say borderline major league players use steroids to get to the majors and to say players who were All-World using PED's would not be any good without them. <br /><br />I think the talent still has to be there for a player to be good, but sometimes it feels like PED's can really enhance the talent, which is the purpose I imagine. <br /><br />I am glad to hear he was kidding about A-Rod, that worried me. <br /><br />I am tired of talking about steroids as well, much like Watergate, and I don't think it takes away from the story for it to be talked out like it is, but there also comes a point when everything has been said. Of course with the steroid issue MLB has allowed new and different revelations to leak out each month which has prolonged the misery.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-78675293856891712612009-06-29T20:47:04.655-04:002009-06-29T20:47:04.655-04:00That sound you just heard was Fred being owned by ...That sound you just heard was Fred being owned by what was presumably Jeff Pearlman. Ok, not really but it was good of Jeff to opine/defend himself. <br /><br />What I don't get is this: We rip Jay Mariotti, Peter King and various other writers all the time, and of course they don't care to say anything because we are just a blog (and I say that in all seriousness, they should not care about us or what we think), but two guys I really like: Jeff Pearlman and Cliff Corcoran have been ripped a little bit twice on this site and twice they have come on here and written in the comments. <br /><br />Ripping on them is the exception, yet they are the ones that write a comment when it happens. Life is strange that way. Also on his blog today Jeff says he hates being ripped, mocked etc...that being said he is absolutely saying he hates Fred Trigger. I am going to jump to that conclusion. <br /><br />I wish there could be more discussion, but he has a point that maybe these scrubs got a boost that got them to the majors as well. I still say that every star who is struggling is not on steroids and I guess I missed the joke when he said he was being sarcastic about A-Rod not being that good. I don't get irony or sarcasm, despite the fact it is a major writing tool I use. I think A-Rod struggling has more to do with the hip than it does have to do with steroids, that's just my opinion. <br /><br />I still love Pearlman's books and I actually buy them as well so that makes me extra special.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-69832238251848531442009-06-29T20:44:54.854-04:002009-06-29T20:44:54.854-04:00So, your saying steroids can help a triple A guy t...So, your saying steroids can help a triple A guy to make the show and have a mediocre career? That seems a far cry from writing that Alex Rodriguez and Manny Ramierez wouldnt be that good without steroids, no? I mean, you dont really say it in the article, but you do insinuate it in the title (unless that was the editor, if so, I shall direct my scorn towards him). <br /><br />I never said they dont enhance performance, but for them to work, you still need to be good, right. I said "I've known kids that played in HS and took steroids, guess what major league team they play for now? They dont, because they sucked and didnt have the talent with or with out PED to play professionally" Thats really what I was getting at. They are not some magic substance that will just automatically transform someone into an amazing baseball player, the talent still needs to be there.<br /><br /><br />I kind of thought you were joking about AROD, thats why my response was a little more tame then it was going to be, because I had a feeling you knew better than to say something silly like that.<br /><br />I think the watergate example is a good one, even though I wasnt alive when it happened. I can imagine if the internet was around back then, people would have similar blogs bitching about it, and hoping it would go away.<br /><br />Well, thanks for stopping by, Jeff.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-23923852702543543622009-06-29T19:29:31.731-04:002009-06-29T19:29:31.731-04:00I didn't read your whole essay, but something ...I didn't read your whole essay, but something immediately caught my eye. you wrote:<br />"It is widely known that performance-enhancing drugs help baseball players.<br /><br />It sure didnt help the majority of these guys out too much." <br />*<br />How can you say that? How do you know? Perhaps those guys—MLB scrubs, admittedly—were able to reach the majors because of a boost.<br /><br />And I was being sarcastic about ARod not being that good.<br /><br />Anyhow, thanks.<br /><br />— Jeff<br /><br />PS: More than half the country was sick of Watergate.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07802048119576912706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-35924999064632373592009-06-29T08:10:21.595-04:002009-06-29T08:10:21.595-04:00I have to remind myself a lot that I like sports m...I have to remind myself a lot that I like sports more than the average person and that just because someone else doesn't know something about a team it doesn't mean they aren't a fan, it means they are not obsessed like me. <br /><br />It irritates me when it seems like a lot of the fans can't name half the things I can, but I just have to understand I am more obsessive than most.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-31676799317992296812009-06-29T04:32:21.202-04:002009-06-29T04:32:21.202-04:00I feel your pain Fred, it's like being a Laker...I feel your pain Fred, it's like being a Laker fan. Half the bandwagon can't name more then 4 players, or 6 city and franchise nicknames combined. "Yeah the Nuggets, I've always hated Utah." Huh? WTF? And all the ones under 20 seem to have 4 computers and instant access to every sports comment section on teh Web. It makes ya wanna cry.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-56751446265231473522009-06-28T20:29:14.663-04:002009-06-28T20:29:14.663-04:00thats why I get frustrated by the New England fan ...thats why I get frustrated by the New England fan stereotypes. Because people lump us in with what the TAWMMY FROM QUINZEES say. A perfect example is that comment I left a while ago, with the "lunch with brady, or sex with giselle clip" I'm gonna have to find that clip and post it, because it is that good, and I'm sure everyone will get a kick out of it. Thats a perfect thing for the blog: New England Stereotypes. I'll do some research and see what I can do.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-81311327274315338002009-06-28T20:15:58.554-04:002009-06-28T20:15:58.554-04:00Please don't tell me that someone actually thi...Please don't tell me that someone actually thinks the Sox got the short end of that deal. You have to be kidding. I could not believe Lowell got included in the deal...he had one bad year and all of a sudden I was considered completely done. I didn't get it. I don't know how you can think you got the short end of the deal. Beckett is one of the best pitchers in baseball. The haul you sent out for him would have almost been good enough for just Beckett, much less Lowell.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-9315651617381236412009-06-28T20:05:43.622-04:002009-06-28T20:05:43.622-04:00I'm telling you, man, you need to listen to th...I'm telling you, man, you need to listen to the weekly Peter King interviews.<br /><br />It gets this crazy: would you trade Buchholz straight up for Albert Pujols? One radio host wouldnt, and tried to defend his stance. I'll have to see if I can find it.<br /><br />Also, people still think we got short ended on the Beckett, Lowell, Mota for Ramirez, Sanchez deal. Even though we won a WS after the trade. I KID YOU NOT. Its really just amusing to listen to, more than anything. I've heard things at work that I want to post on, but I cant, for obvious reasons.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-57542168664600937452009-06-28T19:33:43.327-04:002009-06-28T19:33:43.327-04:00Every fan base has crazy stupid fans. There is a r...Every fan base has crazy stupid fans. There is a reason I don't listen to sports talk radio that often. I will try to tune in though Fred and see if I can hear anything exciting. Why would the Sox need Gonzalez though? They have Youk and Lowell...Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-36666371954437778052009-06-28T18:35:36.180-04:002009-06-28T18:35:36.180-04:00dont even get me started on those crazy trades.
F...dont even get me started on those crazy trades.<br /><br />For all those people out there that want to know why New England sports fans have a bad name, I invite you to go to WEEI.com and listen to their shows (I dont work for them and I'm not trying to give them publicity, but if you listen to some of their callers, you will know why it can be frustrating to be a NE sports fan, with some of the idiots on the radio. During football season, you WILL hear tommy from quincy.)<br />The lastest obsession is the sox somehow trading for Adrian Gonzalez.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-358127905747688182009-06-28T18:16:24.306-04:002009-06-28T18:16:24.306-04:00Whatever, just another example of Red Sox ego taki...Whatever, just another example of Red Sox ego taking over the world. Again, I am kidding...<br /><br />Though I did over hear a Red Sox fan in front of me at the game say they should trade for Hanley Ramirez and over the Marlins Clay Bucholtz straight up in return. I don't know if that could happen. Of course people at the game actually cheered for Franceour so idiocy runs both ways.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-78349477110339652312009-06-28T17:32:02.550-04:002009-06-28T17:32:02.550-04:00haha, yeah, I read that over after I typed it and ...haha, yeah, I read that over after I typed it and realized how it sounded, but I figured everyone would know what I was saying.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-54489091519622593492009-06-28T17:26:50.848-04:002009-06-28T17:26:50.848-04:00Gosh, this pains me because I do really like Jeff ...Gosh, this pains me because I do really like Jeff Pearlman and I have loved every book he read. I just hope that any slump a slugger may go into is going to be attributed to steroids. Both Ortiz and A-Rod have had some injuries of late and that has to affect them as well. I hope this isn't an attempt to give Selena Roberts' book some more credibility. <br /><br />Steroids were very strictly tested for last year and A-Rod had a pretty good year. I don't think he is still roiding. I could be wrong though. <br /><br />Fred, are you saying you think most fans talk about the previous night's Red Sox game? Gosh, you Red Sox fans are so egotistical! <br /><br />Haha...I am kidding. I know what you are saying. I don't really talk about steroids as much anymore...maybe I should. <br /><br />Anon, thanks for the information. That's very interesting, and it does make sense that a baseball player who is stronger and recovers faster would be better than a weaker ball player. I wish steroids would just go away.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-36157068854064094152009-06-28T16:40:44.811-04:002009-06-28T16:40:44.811-04:00To answer your question, anabolic steroids have be...To answer your question, anabolic steroids have been proven to improve athletic performance (strength and recovery time), but no other substance has been effective in randomized trials. This only takes into account physiologic studies, so the 'proof' would be that all things being equal, a basebell player who is stronger and recovers faster would be better than a weaker player. <br /><br />I remember someone looked at Barry Bonds' home runs (espn article from a few years ago) that was well written and looked at his home run total from a similar perspective (the added strength, recovery time).<br /><br /> HGH is being looked at, but the data remains equivocal at this point. Supplements like andro, creatinine, etc. do not help athletic performance or recovery.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-7816248268987293652009-06-28T15:56:16.113-04:002009-06-28T15:56:16.113-04:00well, after that smack down you laid on me in rega...well, after that smack down you laid on me in regards to bonds. Fine, I'll concede they enhance performance--espcially in older players--but.....you still have to be good. Like I said, if I used steroids I probably couldnt even make an independant league team, much less a major league team. Thats why when Mr. Pearlman says shit like "AROD isnt that good", it drives me up the wall. JUST FUCKING LET IT GO!!! I just want to enjoy the games. When I talk baseball with my friends steroids almost never comes up. We just talk about the previous nights red sox game. Which i'm pretty sure is what the majority of fans talk about nowadays. They dont worry about steroids until the media writes about it.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-340004858343334882009-06-28T15:44:28.988-04:002009-06-28T15:44:28.988-04:00I had the same thought when I read that article.
...I had the same thought when I read that article. <br /><br />Now every fucking superstar slump is going to be attributed to steroids?<br /><br />Get some fucking perspective, sportswriters. Even though it would make a great story if David Ortiz's two month slump meant he was done as a ballplayer and suggested he "couldn't hit now that steroids is banned", that doesn't make it so. A two month slump is a fucking two month slump.<br /><br />A-Rod had one of his best years last years--a year when steroids were strictly tested for. But yeah, now that he's coming back late from an injury and having like, a three week slump, it must mean that it's a lack of steroids making him struggle.<br /><br />Poor, poor, article by Jeff Pearlman, and just another cheap attempt for him to plug his buddy Selena Roberts' book--as if that thing had ANY credibility left.Chris Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12152452626681072765noreply@blogger.com