tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post3381402792092294432..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: TMQ: Gregg Sums Up the NFL Draft...No Hilarity EnsuesBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-61092791627891619962010-04-28T22:17:21.601-04:002010-04-28T22:17:21.601-04:00Kent, this has nothing to do with it, but Ginn did...Kent, this has nothing to do with it, but Ginn did get hurt celebrating a returned kickoff in college. <br /><br />I am not sure I would argue that small school receivers may be close to par with big school receivers, but you bring up a great point that the reason for these specific numbers and the Combine is to see how the small school receivers would work in the NFL. <br /><br />I feel like I need to send TMQ a 100 page paper on the Colts and why they draft like they do. <br /><br />I've seen pro games where they run the same play over and over. The Panthers actually ran the same play 4 times in a game this year when they were ahead. I don't like how he ruined the 4th season of FNL for me. I tried to stop reading and sort of did.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-52150189275784741432010-04-28T18:45:32.906-04:002010-04-28T18:45:32.906-04:00To echo rich, Ted Ginn was seen as a terrible pick...To echo rich, Ted Ginn was seen as a terrible pick at the time. One of the justifications given by his coach at the time was "I know his dad." His coach lasted only one year, BTW.<br /><br />The small school draft picks illustrate why the NFL teams do those crazy number-measuring things. It's hard to know if a Division III receiver who caught 50 TD passes is pro-quality without knowing how fast he is, etc.<br /><br />The Colts' defense is made up of undrafted and low-round players because they spend most of their cap money on offense, not because they believe an undrafted player is genetically superior to a #1 pick.<br /><br />If Easterbrook hates Friday Night Lights, why doesn't he watch Real Housewives of New York or something else instead. I've seen college games where a team ran the same play over and over, if it was working. If the fictional team is actually running the Veer offense, long defunct, it <i>is</i> the same play every time, just varying sides.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-57096205586569536242010-04-28T16:50:06.902-04:002010-04-28T16:50:06.902-04:00HH, I am not smart, but I feel like that was an im...HH, I am not smart, but I feel like that was an important point to make. There is not an equal probability of success among all picks.<br /><br />I was critical of the Best trade at first but I have come to see the Lions were just making sure they got their guy. I had forgotten the 2nd round was the next day, so there would be a lot of trade talks. <br /><br />Unfortunately, Dez Bryant does have issues because he missed the entire year. That has to do something to a player, not competing for one year...or nearly that long. <br /><br />I thought the Saints got rid of Mark Brunell. I looked it up and they did not get rid of him. You are right. So I knew their 3rd string QB and don't feel so badly. I can name 90% of my favorite team's picks and the backups for most teams. I, like many others, follow the NFL closely. <br /><br />HH, if you are going to get all technical on me then I can't argue with you. You are right. Weight varies also, so maybe teams give approximations for that also. <br /><br />KBilly, that is too much for Gregg's brain to absorb. The lottery is just the lottery to him, there are no scratch off tickets or black and white. <br /><br />Rich and Rulebook I agree. I missed that. Lynch was not a bust. <br /><br />I don't even know where that Hall of Fame comment about how they like players to be on one team came from. It is pure nonsense and has no factual basis. You proved it, Rulebook. In the age of the salary cap, a player will change his teams through no fault or choice of his own. <br /><br />So Gregg Easterbrook is Jason Taylor.<br /><br />Rich, TMQ thinks GMs and coaches should be able to predict those things out of a player's control and know whether the player is good or not. Notice how Gregg never says anything about teams that pass over guys like Sapp and Moss for character issues because he changes his point of view based on what makes him look correct. <br /><br />That point about 4 fourth-round picks for 1 first-round picks...we are in agreement and it is not black and white. Gregg doesn't see it that way, he is just so black and white it drives me crazy. He wants there to be one rule that fits everything.<br /><br />What you said about the GMs is why I was wrong about criticizing the Jags too harshly for where they picked Alualu. I do have to criticize the pick of Tebow overall though.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-32004944668332549142010-04-28T16:13:19.889-04:002010-04-28T16:13:19.889-04:00Other players from the 2007 first round -- Ted Gin...<b>Other players from the 2007 first round -- Ted Ginn, Marshawn Lynch, Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss</b><br /><br />Ted Ginn: universally classified as a terrible pick. Even the guy who drafted him could only point to his punt return ability.<br /><br />Marshawn Lynch: two 1,000 yard seasons, but major off the field problems. Had everyone passed on him for character concerns, they would have been classified as stupid for passing up a two time 1000 rusher (before last year).<br /><br />Carriker: Played out of position for a shitty team and was voted the team's rookie of the year. Then got hurt.<br /><br />Harrell: Started 16 games his rookie year, missed a season due to injury.<br /><br />Moss: Broke his shin his rookie season. Sucked his second season, moved to LB his third. Basically admitted he's too stupid to learn NFL defensive schemes.<br /><br />So basically TMQ thinks that the "scientific yardsticks" should be omniscient in knowing injuries, stupidity and character issues... only to be lambasted for letting a guy like Randy Moss slip due to character concerns.<br /><br /><b>Would you rather have four fourth-round choices or one first-round pick? Four lottery tickets are better than one.</b> <br /><br />Depends. If my team needs some okay players and has the luxury of going after a project and/or a guy who might not pan out... then give me the four picks. If my team sucks and needs an instant impact player, give me the first rounder.<br /><br />KBilly hit the nail on the head with this earlier, so there's not much else to say.<br /><br /><b> "17 NFL general managers" had assured him Tebow would not be drafted until the second round </b><br /><br />Here's the thing. It really only takes two teams to screw that all up. Lets say that Denver wanted to get Tebow in round two, but say Atlanta or NE or Minnesota was going to take him as a late first rounder. If Denver felt that they'd lose on him, they had to move up to get him. It doesn't matter if 17 teams thought Tebow was second round talent, it only mattered that one team thought that they'd have to take him in the first round or not get him at all.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-79408895732917979722010-04-28T15:49:57.431-04:002010-04-28T15:49:57.431-04:00Actually, Easterbrook only wrote for NFL.com becau...Actually, Easterbrook only wrote for NFL.com because ESPN.com got rid of him <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuesday_Morning_Quarterback#Kill_Bill_controversy" rel="nofollow">(Wikipedia)</a>, so it's even more like Taylor.The Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323030436625176444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-29921587065512032502010-04-28T15:20:23.443-04:002010-04-28T15:20:23.443-04:00- Other players from the 2007 first round -- Ted G...- <b>Other players from the 2007 first round -- Ted Ginn, Marshawn Lynch, Adam Carriker, Justin Harrell, Jarvis Moss -- have been busts;</b><br /><br />In what sense was Marshawn Lynch a bust? My fantasy teams in 2007 and 2008 enjoyed him pretty well, and he made the Pro Bowl in 2008. He may not be a superstar, and he may have some character issues which the Bills want to get rid of, but he is far from a bust.<br /><br />- <b>The Jets also signed Jason Taylor. All his recent team-switching -- Miami, then Washington, then back to Miami, now Jersey/B -- makes Taylor seem mercenary. Of course the NFL is fundamentally a business; the owners always think first about the business angle. But TMQ fears Taylor's changing teams three times in three seasons will torpedo any chance he had to don that garish yellow jacket in Canton. Hall of Fame electors favor players who spent their entire careers in one place, toughing out the down years, because the Hall of Fame is, in part, about sustaining the romantic belief that NFL players are motivated by sportsmanship and loyalty. Taylor has made it clear he is motivated by his stats and his payday...</b><br /><br />First of all, the argument that the hall of fame wants players that stayed with one team is ludicrous. Just to name a select few:<br /><br />Warren Moon, Rod Woodson, Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith, Tony Dorsett, Joe Namath, Johnny Unitas, Marcus Allen, Mike Ditka, Ronnie Lott, Reggie White, Steve Young, Joe Montana, Deacon Jones, Earl Campbell, Fran Tarkenton, Lance Alworth, Len Dawson, Bruce Smith.<br /><br />Secondly, Taylor was <i><b>traded</b></i> to the Redskins (meaning it was a team decision to get rid of him), and he signed with the Jets as a <i><b>free agent</b></i> after the Dolphins refused to make an offer to him. He never chose to leave the Dolphins - they got rid of him.<br /><br />The irony is that Easterbrook used to write for NFL.com, and now he writes for ESPN because NFL.com got rid of him. By the same logic, Easterbrook is just a mercenary and has no sense of loyalty.Thilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439591828137103506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-64536593652293259502010-04-28T14:38:41.682-04:002010-04-28T14:38:41.682-04:00I wouldn't mind his lottery ticket comparison ...I wouldn't mind his lottery ticket comparison if he'd compared draft picks to scratch-off lottery tickets. <br /><br />Round 1 is the premium $20 scratch-off that my not pay a jackpot, but is more likely to win its money back.<br /><br />Rounds 6-7 are the $1 scratch tix that you buy because you just broke a $20 on a 6-pack and some smokes and have $2 change that you don't feel like putting in your wallet.KBillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10204189643490253188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-37106411471423873292010-04-28T14:19:03.830-04:002010-04-28T14:19:03.830-04:00On a separate issue, Gregg has the hint of a point...On a separate issue, Gregg has the hint of a point when he says that measuring height down to an eighth of an inch is pretty nonsensical. Height varies during the day: one is tallest in the morning and shortest in the evening. During the day, your vertebrae compress, and you shrink by as much as 2 inches or so. So while that particular measurement may have been accurate to within an eighth of an inch, it's really nonsensical to present it as absolute fact.HHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-49575860310613458672010-04-28T14:16:56.285-04:002010-04-28T14:16:56.285-04:00A few things:
1. Thanks for pointing out that dr...A few things: <br /><br />1. Thanks for pointing out that draft picks aren't lottery tickets with equal probability of success. By that logic, each team should sign all the undrafted free agents it can get, and even all of us who didn't enter the draft, and stars will emerge. I hate Gregg.<br /><br />2. <strong>The Lions swapped the 34th selection to Minnesota for the 30th selection, surrendering up (essentially) a fourth-round choice, then took tailback Jahvid Best. He should give the team much-needed quick-strike potential on offense -- last year, the Lions has just five rushes of 20 or more yards. But the clubs at 31, 32 and 33 -- Indianapolis, New Orleans and St. Louis -- are strong at running back, and would have seemed unlikely to select Best. So why trade up? </strong><br /><br />I don't think Gregg understands that teams on the clock are talking to several teams at a time. Does he not get that the Lions probably knew that a lot of teams would try to trade into the Vikings/Colts/Saints/Rams picks to take the best available player? I'm sure the Vikings gladly shared that they had competing offers to drive up the price, but to say that Best would definitely have been on the board is an idiotic thing to say. These people talk to each other. The same goes for the Broncos/Packers thing.<br /><br />3. Dez Bryant didn't drop solely due to his character issues. Lying to the NCAA was one thing, but also a thing a team wouldn't really downgrade him for, since the NCAA hates its players. But he also missed the entire last season, which increases the uncertainty surrounding him: could he be another Mike Williams of USC, who was terrible after a year off? Also, it appears Bryant's mother was involved with drugs and he probably has friends who were - if Gregg remembered that it was Michael Vick's posse that got him involved in dogfighting, maybe he'll understand why Bryant dropped as far as he did.<br /><br />4. Mark Brunell. This past season the backup Saints QB was Mark Brunell, and they were developing Chase Daniel to back up Brees after Brunell retires. Brunell also started the regular season finale to rest Brees. I can also name 90% of Texans early picks, going back to their expansion draft. Fuck you, TMQ, for assuming I don't.<br /><br />Good to get all that off my chest.HHnoreply@blogger.com