tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post3653459904632390300..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Joe Morgan Chooses Individual (Team) AwardsBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-27972210018805424782010-10-20T12:27:25.935-04:002010-10-20T12:27:25.935-04:00Martin, there are definitely statistics that show ...Martin, there are definitely statistics that show how Bobby Cox positively affected players on his team. I do agree the postseason just seemed too big for him at times. I am not sure what the deal was. Same thing with Gardenhire. That may not be the explanation, most likely it is that the Twins have trouble beating the Yankees in the regular season so it is a terrible matchup for them in the postseason. <br /><br />Arjun, I need to go back to old October 2009 chats and see what Joe said about the Yankees. I think your answer was the one that he gave as well. <br /><br />I think he understands the simple concepts, he just refuses to accept the changes they bring. I don't hate wins, but it seems like wins are overused as a measure of how good a pitcher is. Wins were good when a pitcher completed most of the games he started, but that isn't the case anymore. There are too many variables that can affect whether a pitcher gets the win or not. <br /><br />Like Martin said below, the run support for Sabathia and Hernandez is much different. That's a huge variable on whether a pitcher wins games or not. If you look at Felix's stats, he is much better in games when he got run support.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-57249360890767955002010-10-14T04:29:17.262-04:002010-10-14T04:29:17.262-04:00Oh, and forgot to mention that the Yanks scored 10...Oh, and forgot to mention that the Yanks scored 10+ runs for CC seven times this year. The Mariners 10+ for Felix? The zip, nada, zero. Joe Morgan is a moron.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-15283462562370246742010-10-13T16:47:05.722-04:002010-10-13T16:47:05.722-04:00i don't actually follow baseball that much and...i don't actually follow baseball that much and haven't watched a regular season game in at least three years, but I just can't believe some of the simple concepts that joe morgan doesn't understand, like that analysts are supposed to have unambiguous opinions (he basically says that nothing is absolutely 100% certain therefore we don't know anything except that the actual outcome will fall within the set of all possible outcomes. well no fucking shit you don't have to be a game theory major to figure that out), and that part of a pitcher's record is how many runs the team scores which is out of the pitcher's control, as opposed to all the individual stats in which king felix destroys sabathia. i don't know shit about baseball but I have a brain and a better-than-useless sense of logic, which I think is all that is needed to provide more insight than joe morgan.<br /><br />(by the way my ass he thought the yankees weere the best team last year he probably said something like "once you get into october any team has a chance to win so there's no way we can say for certain that any one team will win because all of them could potentially do it though I do think it will be one of the eight teams that got in who will win it all but at this point with a whopping 0 regular season games remaining it is way to early to say who will win the world series because everybody has a chance").Arjun Chandrasekharhttp://www.arjun-allthingssports.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-89705326723913356082010-10-13T16:45:14.689-04:002010-10-13T16:45:14.689-04:00I agree that Gardenhire and Cox are both good mana...I agree that Gardenhire and Cox are both good managers. Bobby was fantastic at using rookies and young players, and getting good results out of them. He seemed to develop marginal players into useful ones, and his bullpen always pitched better then the guys in it did when they left Atlanta. Gardenhire seems to be much the same with the Twins. Once they get to the post season though it was a different story. Like the situation was too big for them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-53014980136795990702010-10-13T08:09:20.919-04:002010-10-13T08:09:20.919-04:00Martin, I never actually held a strong opinion abo...Martin, I never actually held a strong opinion about Jerry Manuel one way or another. I have to say I am not sure I have heard too much positive said about him from Mets fans. I know about Omar Minaya's moves though. I wish I could have warned him against re-signing Perez. <br /><br />I feel a similar way about Gardenhire. He does great with his talent, but it is almost as if once his team gets the lead he just hopes to God they can hold on. The Liriano situation was a good example. It was pretty obvious Liriano was gassed or not effective, but he kept him in there. He should have been proactive and gone to his bullpen immediately when the Yankees starting getting guys on base in Game 1. Also, I am not sure I agree with pitching Duensing on the road. I know it sounds controversial given his history in Yankee stadium, but I may have pitched Pavano in Game 3. Duensing was terrible at Yankee Stadium last year and the Yankees had struggled with LH pitchers of late. It doesn't matter now. <br /><br />God knows I love Bobby Cox, but I do put some of the blame on him for the Braves postseason failures. Of course he may have been the reason the team got to the postseason too. In my mind, he is directly responsible for the Game 3 loss to the Giants this year. He never should have pulled Craig Kimbrel to get a LH v. LH matchup with Aubrey Huff. It's not the first time he has done something like that. Sometimes it felt like he pushed the wrong buttons more frequently in the postseason. <br /><br />I think Hamilton should be the guy also. Cano did have a good year, but was he really the most valuable player in the American League, or even on his own team? <br /><br />The Padres did overachieve this year, but they had a huge lead and came back down to Earth at the end of the year. The Braves choked this year as well, though injuries may have had something to do with it, but when a team is in control of their division like they were, they have to close it out.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-89835045978063193822010-10-13T06:23:50.698-04:002010-10-13T06:23:50.698-04:00Manuel was a horrible manager. He was the definiti...Manuel was a horrible manager. He was the definition of "game has passed him by", as he believed in "desire" "hustle" "grit" winning games, over talent. <br /><br />Gardenhire has to be held accountable for some of the Twins implosions the last few years. Much like I hold Bobby Cox accountable for the Braves under performing in the playoffs in his tenure there. Whenever I watched the twins vs the Yankees in the last few playoffs, I always felt like Ron was managing not to lose instead of managing to win. Sort of like a tennis player who just keeps hitting the ball back, hoping the other person makes a mistake.<br /><br />Hamilton is a very good outfielder. If he was a Adam Dunn type out there I could see Joe choosing Cano. Joe choose Cano to pair up with his Cano as MVP idea. <br /><br />The Padres lost 10 games in a row, yet in my opinion, still way over achieved for the year. This was a .500 team at best, and they won 90 games. The over the top timely hitting and the young arms finally ran out at the end of the year. Latos had a terrible September, and that was the end of that for them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-13367521825607683012010-10-12T18:39:28.742-04:002010-10-12T18:39:28.742-04:00Rich, I know. Joe acted like the Padres made this ...Rich, I know. Joe acted like the Padres made this heroic comeback rather than had a large lead and quickly blew that lead. I am quite familiar with the idea of a baseball team choking in the playoffs so I know what I am talking about. <br /><br />I wonder if there would be statistics kept in this Pre-playoff-season? If so, Joe Morgan would not approve of this. Joe would only keep up with statistics on how well Brandon Phillips is doing and then tell us all about it. <br /><br />I agree the Mets should have gotten a backup OF who could play multiple positions since Beltran was no guarantee to play a lot of games this year. Joe still thinks Minaya is a good GM though. <br /><br />That Perez signing seems like it is defensible, but even at the time I think a lot of people knew it was a mistake. <br /><br />Perhaps they should be given jobs in Japan? That would count as "elsewhere" wouldn't it?Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-49891543876394740372010-10-12T14:52:44.201-04:002010-10-12T14:52:44.201-04:00They bounced back against San Francisco and were w...<b>They bounced back against San Francisco and were within one game of making the playoffs.</b><br /><br />He acts like the Padres were in last place and made a fantastic run to get back to within a game. They finished one game out? Well that's great! Wait, they were leading their division by a ton of games? Oh...<br /><br /><b>The game is played on the field. I can't pick a winner right now.</b><br /><br />If only there was a time when teams played a bunch of games before the playoffs started. Teams would play 162 games against the other teams in the league and we could use that information to base opinions off of. We could call it the Pre-playoff-season.<br /><br /><b> Both of them were undermined by players not performing to their capabilities.</b><br /><br />Part of your job as a GM is to determine what that "capability" is. Carlos Beltran gets hurt every year, so getting a decent backup CF would be highly on the "stuff to do" list. Minaya also gave Oliver Perez 24M over 3 years.<br /><br /><b>I think they should be given opportunities elsewhere</b><br /><br />If Omar Minaya gets another GM job I will lose faith in baseball owners. He's baseball's answer to Isiah Thomas.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.com