tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post3841901803546222887..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: TMQ Breaks Down the Draft Using Inaccuracy and Idiocy As a GuideBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-89297705363872286232009-04-30T07:40:00.000-04:002009-04-30T07:40:00.000-04:00I suppose you could add Brandon Jacobs to the Cadi...I suppose you could add Brandon Jacobs to the Cadillac Williams/Ronnie Brown duo at Auburn. He was there for a year until he transferred to S. Illinois, so he could get some carries, I guess.The Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323030436625176444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-92210711059013636952009-04-29T18:30:00.000-04:002009-04-29T18:30:00.000-04:00I hate one of the professional writers from FJMari...I hate one of the professional writers from FJMariotti had to come over and be the one to tie my obvious dislike for Mark Sanchez in with a horrible point that Gregg Easterbrook made. I should have been smart enough to put those two together. <br /><br />That's a great point. Sanchez and that offense did only score 21 points. Hmmm...I guess the Jets forgot to watch that game tape. Swinated is a cool word, I wonder if I could fit it into a post at some point and anyone would think it was a real word. <br /><br />It's ok if you called us dickless, we understand you were just talking about TMQ and so you were angry and did not mean it.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-62406948191855457882009-04-29T18:17:00.000-04:002009-04-29T18:17:00.000-04:00two explanatory notes
1.) "might" should say "mig...two explanatory notes<br /><br />1.) "might" should say "mighty"<br /><br />2.) dickless refers to Easterbrook, not any of you fine, fine fellers!Chris Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12152452626681072765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-18320098277706754332009-04-29T18:13:00.000-04:002009-04-29T18:13:00.000-04:00"If the USC LB's are so great, why did they lose t..."If the USC LB's are so great, why did they lose to Oregon (State)?"<br /><br />Hmm, dickless. Maybe because Matt "I'm worth three players and two draft picks" Sanchez could only score 21 points against the might OSU defense despite having a bevy of track stars and a great offensive system at his disposal.<br /><br />Nope. Got to be the linebackers, dickless.<br /><br />PS: The word verification word is "Swinated". How cool is that?Chris Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12152452626681072765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-42294298025208500592009-04-29T16:35:00.000-04:002009-04-29T16:35:00.000-04:00I think I like the term Simmonsite more than Simmo...I think I like the term Simmonsite more than SimmonsClone. I don't know if I am in the mood to a self referential count and a pop culture count in an article or not. I read the column and it did not annoy me all that much really other than what you just brought up, which is sad because usually his columns get me pretty fired up. You did a great job of recapping the article and I don't know if I can handle any more "Faces" or "Pantheon" shit, its slowly driving me crazy. Also, that thing at the end about Larry Bird, if it was Mike Dunleavy showing no reaction, Bill would have made a joke about how he is really dead or doesn't care. <br /><br />You know, Gregg may very well be on to something, I would have liked to have seen some examples like you just made. I am trying to think of other guys who were teammates and actually ended up doing well in the NFL. Thanks for the breakdown on Simmons though, I haven't decided if I will cover it or not. I am slammed at work tomorrow so I don't know what I am going to do about that. I think Rondo should have been thrown out though but I am glad he wasn't.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-66464450091212807542009-04-29T16:02:00.000-04:002009-04-29T16:02:00.000-04:00oh! and some highlights from the new Sports Guy co...oh! and some highlights from the new Sports Guy column:<br /><br />- he kind of defends Rondo's foul on Miller last night (although to be fair he does say later on Rondo should be suspended)<br />- complaining about the refs and following it up with a sarcastic "The NBA ... it's FANNNNNNtastic! I love this game!" (one of his trademarks)<br />- patting himself on the back for one of his predictions: "First, this is now the greatest first-round series since the NBA expanded to a best-of-seven format -- no matter how it turns out -- and I just wish I could have predicted that a week ago. (Wait, I did???? Really? I'm never right! This is great!)"<br />- the Pantheon of Faces: "the Brad Miller 'I just got whacked in the face, my lip is swelling, my mouth tastes like blood, I'm seeing stars, and now I have to make two humongous free throws' Face as well as the Brad Miller 'I just missed the first free throw, now I really have to play up how much this hurts and act like I might keel over' Face"<br />- bizarre Monopoly reference: "Rondo has now passed the oranges, the reds and the greens and moved toward Park Place and Boardwalk on the Monopoly board of point guards," followed by more gushing over Rondo<br />- Varsity Blues reference: "The honors still go to Mox's 'Varsity Blues' football team for refusing to come out for the second half of the climactic game unless coach Bud Kilmer went away," in reference to the Hornets rolling over and dying against Denver<br />- the most bizarre theory I've ever heard: "You know what else? A reader (can't remember his name) pointed out something to me that I passed along in a podcast and now I will mention here: Kidd is the only guy who can defend LeBron and Kobe. Why? They respect him too much. They don't want to kick his butt. It doesn't make them feel good. They settle for jumpers instead of just destroying him off the dribble in a goofy display of guilt and respect." (what the fuck?)<br />- patting himself on the back for one of his predictions, part II: "Q: Why haven't you mentioned the Blazers or taken a shot at Greg Oden yet?<br /><br />A: Because I might have an entire Blazers column in me and don't want to step on it. Stay tuned. Let's see what happens Thursday."<br />- Pantheon of Faces-ish, part II: "He let down LeBron so many times that LeBron developed an actual 'Drew Gooden disappointed me yet again and I might have to kill him soon' frown."<br />- Lost reference (a Simmonsite mentions it but Billy runs with it)<br />- a new corollary/theory: "Just one. I call it the Andre Iguodala Corollary -- namely, if you just sucked for the last two minutes of Game 1, bricked two free throws and missed another shot, you are not allowed to prance around like a superstar if you happen to make an absolutely atrocious stutter-step fallaway for the lead -- a shot that you never should have taken in a million years. I will allow you to chest-bump a teammate or two, but that's it," which includes...<br />- a reference from a movie made in 1992 that I had never heard of: "(Best example: Kobe's game-winner against the Suns in 2006 that recently made the slew of cool playoff commercials. We haven't seen an imitation that uncomfortable since Jennifer Jason Leigh got Bridget Fonda's haircut in 'Single White Female.')" <br /><br />aaand that's about it.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-10213914812367652142009-04-29T15:48:00.000-04:002009-04-29T15:48:00.000-04:00other examples from the last 10 first rounds: Mich...other examples from the last 10 first rounds: Michael Haynes and Jimmy Kennedy at Penn State; John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth at Tennessee; Phillip Buchanon, Mike Rumph, and Ed Reed at Miami; Vince Wilfork, William Joseph and Jerome McDougle at Miami; Reggie Wayne and Santana Moss at Miami; Ryan Sims and Julius Peppers at UNC; Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams at Auburn; Dwayne Bowe and Buster Davis from LSU; Jevon Kearse and Reggie McGrew (who?) from Florida; Sedrick Ellis and Lawrence Jackson from USC; Felix Jones and Darren McFadden from Arkansas<br /> <br />the last two examples are too early to tell for sure, but it actually looks like Gregggggg might be onto something here. if only he'd, you know, done some research.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-29041815094870570982009-04-29T15:47:00.000-04:002009-04-29T15:47:00.000-04:00Martin, its ok if you disagree with me. I have to ...Martin, its ok if you disagree with me. I have to say the draft needs to go back to that noon time slot and not turned into a three day thing. I don't really actually care what the NFL does as long as they don't screw up what they are doing. I love football and it has been very, very good to me. <br /><br />As I have indicated previously, I have so many questions about how effective Jason Peters is going to be in Philly, I think it is complete nonsense to question why Buffalo did not resign him. The Tony Gonzalez signing was brilliant but a 2nd round pick is more than fair compensation for him. <br /><br />Martin, you are absolutely right that USC lost because of the D-line and not the LB's. Rodgers had massive holes to run through and that is on the D-line. Linebackers are generally at the mercy of a good d-line and this is a good example of that. If the d-line doesn't do their job, it is hard for the LB's to do theirs. <br /><br />I agree with your assessment of draft picks. 3rd round is not a high draft choice to me and 6th begins the late rounds. <br /><br />You have to ask a Pats fan but I am pretty sure Weis shaped Brady more than anyone else on that team. McDaniels is more responsible for Brady's later success and of course Matt Cassel. <br /><br />I try to ignore the Gregg when it comes to the artificial football universe. <br /><br />Ivn, you may be exactly right, I was just thinking Wimberly was a LB like he is in Cleveland. I was just assuming he stayed at the same position, you may have a point there. I still don't know about the accuracy of Gregg's theory though. <br /><br />LSU is like my adopted college team, not my real one, but the one I end up watching a lot of football by them because I like Les Miles' coaching methods and really Jackson did not stand out to me this year. Maybe I am crazy. <br /><br />As far as Belichick goes, I am not going to ever question his intelligence or really who the brains of the operation is. I have seen Crennel, McDaniels, and others try to do similar things to him and fail miserably. I believe he is the brains of that operation. He runs his team like I run my Madden team, it's crazy. I don't want to talk video games, but I accumulate draft picks and trade from a position of strength. He is a master at that. <br /><br />Casey, I think Gregg gets angry any time he watches something that is not logical or if there have been some technological advances after the airing of a show. <br /><br />I will toot Hoover's horn for a second but it does irritate me Alstott made all those Pro Bowls. He doesn't get enough credit for the Carolina running game...just almost no credit actually, there is a reason DeAngelo Williams had massive holes last year and it wasn't just the offensive line...but he is 33 soon, so he needs a backup. <br /><br />Thanks for the information on the Georgia d-line. I tell you what, that is a hell of a line isn't it? How about John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth? Weren't they together at Tennessee? I may be slammed at work tomorrow and this may be a good challenge, to either prove or disprove Gregg's theory. I am intrigued. <br /><br />If Heyward-Bey was drafted in the 3rd round by a different team, I would love the choice, but to pass up Crabtree, Maclin, and Harvin for him is insanity in my opinion. <br /><br />I personally think Jason Campbell has gotten the shaft with all the coaches and coordinators but I have no problem with Washington looking to move up. <br /><br />I guess I forgot the "next" in that sentence huh?Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-53359611060135367502009-04-29T15:15:00.000-04:002009-04-29T15:15:00.000-04:00Do you think Gregg gets mad when he watches a colo...Do you think Gregg gets mad when he watches a color film about any time period before the 1940's, or whenever color film was invented?<br /><br />And I think Pro Bowls are doubly bogus for fullbacks. I used to get so bugged out about Alstott being named to the Pro Bowl as a fullback when he was used much more as a running back. Jameel Cook was the Buc's fullback during the Dunn/Alstott days.<br /><br />[nitpick]Also, a second round choice this year is roughly equivalent to a first round choice <I>next</I> year. Is the common thinking, anyway.[/nitpick]<br /><br />I will say this about same college/same position guys. I think it makes a difference the most at DL, CB, and WR. If one guy is getting frequently double-teamed, then other guys are getting better chances to make plays. At CB, if you have a true shutdown corner on one side, the guy on the other side is going to have more chances for highlights. Granted, in either case you still have to make plays. Also, scouts should be watching game film and taking this into account.<br /><br />Also, I don't know that I saw any BC games this past season, but maybe nobody <I>did</I> run inside on them with much success.<br /><br />I get the feeling that if Heyward-Bey had gone to <I>a different team</I> in the second round, his chances of success would be much higher. Or a different team at all.<br /><br />About the Jason Campbell thing, unless a team is certain that they have the absolute best player in the NFL at a given position, they have to be open to upgrading that position. Now, there are better ways to do that than others, but still.<br /><br />Oh, Marcus Stroud, Richard Seymour, and Charles Grant all played on the UGA D-line for at least a year or two together, although Grant had injury issues.The Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323030436625176444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-74215351524921882172009-04-29T14:32:00.000-04:002009-04-29T14:32:00.000-04:00BGF - I thought Wimbley played defensive end in co...BGF - I thought Wimbley played defensive end in college? I guess if he wasn't that leaves Hawk/Carpenter and the NC State line as the only examples of Greggg's theory I can think of (which I reckon are two more examples than he was able to think of). I bet there are more, but I'm also sure there are plenty of examples (like Chad Johnson/Houshmandzadeh) that even it out.<br /><br />I guess the Browns were a candidate to pick Jackson at 5. I can't say that would be a great idea either though...Jackson didn't seem as impressive without Dorsey on the line next to him.<br /><br />not to sound like an overly conceited Patriots fan (because I am! a Patriots fan at least, not a conceited one) who raves that Belichick is the smahtest coach evah, but looking at how his assistants seem to fade into bolivian after leaving the Patriots seems to suggest that he really is the mind behind the whole Patriots system.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-12652060328007113032009-04-29T14:00:00.000-04:002009-04-29T14:00:00.000-04:00Touts are also referred to as the betting sheets a...Touts are also referred to as the betting sheets at race tracks, or a handicapper/oddsmaker. In England a tout is anybody who solicits business in an improper manner. <br /><br />I'd like the NFL to change a few things, so I have to disagree with Ben and TMQ a bit here. First, Ben and I agree, put the draft back to noon eastern. Then if the NFL is going to start the season on Thursday night it should have a Friday night game also. I'd say have a Staurday night game, but the NFL traditionally, and I think it's a smart and considerate thing, doesn't like to go up against college football. So we would have 4 days of NFL, and one night of top flight college ball (cause you know some teams would want to be part of that action, Virginia Tech v Alabama is a great early season match up this year). Welcome to football season. It would be great. They should cut it down to two preseason games, but not expand the season to 17 or 18. That's just too long if they aren't going to change the way they have IR rules and roster movement.<br /><br />I think teams don't want to trade for Bouldin for the cost of a 1st and 3rd along with having to crank up the salary structure of their team to sign him. They figure they can get him as a free agent.<br /><br />Totally agree about Gonzalez. A 2nd might be too high a pick, but if he gives the team three good years, it will really help Ryan and the Falcons out on offense. Of course, they could have just kept Alge Crumpler from the previous regime and had the same thing....<br /><br />Gregg wold be better off attacking the Bills for the bad signings as a reason they couldn't sign Peters. Instead he tries o use them as an example of why they should sign Peters. He seems to think teh team merely wants to avoid throwing good money after bad, when it's more, they don't have any money left to give him.<br /><br />USC lost to Oregon State because the d-line played lousy, and for some reason USC always plays bad on Thursday Night games. In fact I want to say that Pete Carrol has told the AD that they'd really prefer not to play them any more. As if USC needs a ESPN Thursday Night game for money or exposure. Also, the hero of NYC, Mark "The Franchez" Sanchez, played very average in a game they needed him to step up and be big in. I'm sure this won't be repeated against the Pats, Dolphins, Chargers.....<br /><br />I'm tyring to figure if he's attacking the 60's Star Trek for not using time travel to get more advanced sets and gizmos then were available at that time...or what.<br /><br />So, does TMQ even realize that the Giants also drafted several d-linemen high the last few years? Not just d-backs? Of course in Gregg's world, high pick is a 4th rounder...so....<br /><br />(Are we all agreed, high = rounds 1 and 2, middle is 3-5, late is 6 and 7?)<br /><br />I love Pat White as a back up , Slash, kind of guy. I don't think he'll be an everydown QB, but if he gets more accurate, who knows.<br /><br />Matt Ryan might be an instant star, but that doesn't make him instant great. Seriously, a dozen QB's, including the "overvalued" Jay Cutler, could have done what Ryan did with the Falcons. The fact he did it as a rookie was fantastic, and bodes well for the future, but it was the running game and defense that carried them. They got a little lucky too. Decrying him not being picked by the Rams, who need about 22 players on defense and an entire new o-line, is silly when they have Bulger. Let him take the hits, try and rebuild the foundation, then get a young QB. Bulger isn't bad, mostly just fragile, and has no blocking or weapons other then an occassional Steve Jackson.<br /><br />I'm jsut spitballing here, but McDaniels is unlikely to have worked with Tom Brady in the "nobody wanted Tom Brady" days. Josh is 32, Brady was unwanted in 2000. Josh was not the QB coach at 23. I'm only guessing, didn't look it up, but I think there were other guys there like the current Notre Dame head coach, and not Josh McDaniels, shaping Tom Brady.<br /><br />Gregg only put the thing in about presale cause it was about Xmas. I deal with presale all the time. It's merely special offer for certain select group to buy something at a special price before it is offered to the general public. Sort of like scalping before the tickets go on sale, not after. My friends company targets their top 10% customers and gives them stuff at "presale" for a week sometimes before regular customers, through a coupon in email and such. <br /><br />Also, why does Gregg keep talking about the artificial football universe? It's not artificial. It might be compartmentalized. Perhaps even overly serious or self important, but not artificial.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-78706759389626849562009-04-29T13:52:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:52:00.000-04:00See, it is not the same college he is talking abou...See, it is not the same college he is talking about, he is talking about the same position in college, so Cromartie and Sims would not count and neither would Wimbley or Bunkley, though there could be a comparison between Sims and Wimbley b/c they played the same position at FSU. His argument could have some merit but he doesn't list a single person that gives him this feeling, other than to blanketly say he is suspicious of them. I can think of many, but there have also been other guys who did well in the pros even though they played the same position in college. I need a name thrown out there before I can buy his suspiciousness. <br /><br />I don't expect him to ever do any type analysis of the drafts, he is much better at calling the teams fake names and then changing the subject to the economy. I am thinking maybe Cleveland was trying to take Jackson at #5 if Sanchez was not available or something and that is why they did not trade back, but I don't really know because that doesn't make sense really. Otherwise, I think they could have easily traded back and still gotten Jackson. I am almost at the point to say Belichick's disciples don't know exactly what they are doing...though I am not sure Pioli is a Belichick disciple or not. <br /><br />Either way, I think they did not have to Jackson in that spot. I watched a lot of LSU games last year and I am not sure how I even feel about Jackson overall. <br /><br />Monty, I am glad you are here to give me this information. I don't know how I feel about a connection between Guys and Dolls and the NFL Draft. It is very Easterbrook-ish though.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-53468564651910377652009-04-29T13:24:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:24:00.000-04:00although his reasoning for it is pretty damn stupi...although his reasoning for it is pretty damn stupid.<br /><br />also he offers no draft analysis whatsoever (in a draft review column) for Atlanta, Dallas, Minnesota, Philly, Pittsburgh, or the Titans. but it's not like any of those teams were important last year or anything. <br /><br />on another draft-related note, looking at the first round i still have no idea why KC went for Tyson Jackson. the other potential 3-4 rush OLB (English, Ayers, Orakpo) went between the 10th and 20th pick, just like guys like Merriman and Ware did. if they wanted him that badly why didn't they just trade down? the Jets would have definitely traded up to get Sanchez, and I couldn't see anyone before Denver at #12 taking Jackson, giving KC room to move up a little from the Jets' #17 pick. maybe they really wanted to reunite half the LSU line. I dunno. hindsight is 20/20ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-59603616508699229972009-04-29T13:14:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:14:00.000-04:00A tout is one of those guys who hangs around racet...A tout is one of those guys who hangs around racetracks and offers to sell you tips on what horse to bet on. I don't know if they still exist, but I guess Easterbrook is trying to draw a connection between Mel Kiper and characters in Guys and Dolls.Velocity DeWitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14557899734477270680noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-6760278032476360692009-04-29T13:12:00.000-04:002009-04-29T13:12:00.000-04:00well I think TMQ's "same college" idea has some me...well I think TMQ's "same college" idea has some merit...remember in 2006 when like four guys on the Florida State defense got picked? Cromartie and Sims turned out all right but I haven't heard much from Wimbley or Bunkley. that was also the year three guys on the NC State d-line got picked (and it looks like Mario Williams made Lawson and McCargo look better than they actually were) and the AJ Hawk/Bobby Carpenter thing...I don't feel like doing Gregggg's research for him this morning though.ivnnoreply@blogger.com