tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post3863720412715123417..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: MMQB Review: Andre Johnson Is The Third Best Offensive Player on the Texans EditionBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-9607516822788482382010-09-21T18:18:56.970-04:002010-09-21T18:18:56.970-04:00HH, Peter King would say after his game on Sunday ...HH, Peter King would say after his game on Sunday he is now a franchise-QB. He loves taking one performance and making a big deal of it...at least this year he does. <br /><br />I am not trying to overvalue the game too much, but basing it on his career as well, I don't know if he is the overall #1 pick that guys like Todd McShay seem to think he is. I don't care if Locker is a winner or not, but I just like his chances to be a high 1st round pick. I like Andrew Luck pretty well though, so I wouldn't knock him. He has shown progress this year while I just haven't seen that progression from Locker.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-64993917449043866702010-09-21T14:55:56.134-04:002010-09-21T14:55:56.134-04:00In the defense of Jake Locker, Jay Cutler wasn'...In the defense of Jake Locker, Jay Cutler wasn't much of a winner [11-28 at Vandy] and he's an above-average pro qb - in fact, had he been handled better, I could see him being a true franchise qb. Not Brady or Manning, but McNabbesque. <br /><br />Bill James made this comment about baseball, but I think it applies to football as well: numbers tell you who has been good, but scouting tells you who will be good. In the case of guys like Locker, Cutler, or even Andrew Luck at Stanford, they may have terrible games, but that says less about their ability than we think it does [and definitely less than it would say about the qbs at LSU, Alabama, and other powerhouses]. I'm sure Locker moved himself down on the draft boards with that performance, but let's not overvalue that one game too much.HHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-82318120378802258902010-09-21T12:06:19.938-04:002010-09-21T12:06:19.938-04:00Kent, you beat me to that one. So Peter did get th...Kent, you beat me to that one. So Peter did get the wrong college and the wrong type of football (professional/college) when talking about Lawrence Timmons. <br /><br />Rich, you forgot the part where JaMarcus would get the purple drank all over the award as well. <br /><br />I agree with you on Vick. I have to say I did think he looked good, but I don't get excited until I see him do it over a couple of weeks. I am surprised to see the Eagles are starting Kolb though. <br /><br />Kent, isn't Todd McShay a huge Jake Locker fan. He isn't going to like our bashing of him. I just don't know about his pro prospects when he hasn't done that much in college. Of course I felt similar about Josh Freeman.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-68101666939578211132010-09-21T09:52:56.062-04:002010-09-21T09:52:56.062-04:00Penn State is generally considered to be "Lin...Penn State is generally considered to be "Linebacker U" although Ohio State has also made a move on that designation lately. I died a little typing that.<br /><br />Locker's best year so far was last year, with a 58.2% completion rate and a 21/11 Touchdown/Interception ratio. Not the numbers of a great college quarterback. He also throws main;y short, "safe" passes, with a career YPC of less than 6.5, so those numbers may be worse than they appear. At least he's a winner, going 10-29 as a starter (thus far).KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-58717493250792790812010-09-20T22:23:17.362-04:002010-09-20T22:23:17.362-04:00Rich, does that mean JaMarcus Russell is the 2nd w...<i>Rich, does that mean JaMarcus Russell is the 2nd winner of the "JaMarcus Russell award?"</i><br /><br />He's ineligible to win the award. First, his fat fingers would get Cheeto's cheese all over the award. Second, he only started because Al Davis hasn't died yet.<br /><br /><i>I just don't know if he will ever pass the ball well enough. </i><br /><br />He probably never will. He made some nice throws on Saturday, including one perfectly thrown pass that went 60 yards in the air. That said, he was bound to get one right since he was flinging them down the field quite a bit. Odds are if you do something enough times you'll eventually get one right.<br /><br />My problem with Vick is that he's 32. This isn't exactly the time running QBs are in high demand, especially ones that lack accuracy and touch. McNabb is showing that you can put him in basically any offense and he'll give you a chance to succeed. I think Manning would be in a similar mold (as long as the line was decent enough). Vick you'd have to tailor the entire offense to him and his skillset. Which for a 32 year old QB... not many teams are going to make that type of commitment.<br /><br /><i>I think Peter was referring to Pittsburgh as Linebacker U</i><br /><br />Unless I'm mistaken, isn't Penn State "Linebacker U"? So Peter not only got the school Timmons went to wrong, but also got the nickname for the school he made up for Timmons wrong as well. That's a lot of fail right there.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-21053847475871978812010-09-20T22:10:51.162-04:002010-09-20T22:10:51.162-04:00Ivn, I know those aren't bad stats. That's...Ivn, I know those aren't bad stats. That's why I said I was over reacting to his average week. I know they are good stats, but I want to show how stupid it is to assume he sucks now...just like it was stupid for Peter to assume he is a Top-3 pick. <br /><br />I am not a Jake Locker guy. It didn't really start on Saturday, but he has been a "potential" guy for me. Everyone loves his potential, but when it comes down to it I just don't think he is that great of a QB. Nebraska does still have a great defense so that has something to do with it, but he is a senior and will see good defenses in the NFL next year...he can't go 4-20 there and expect to be successful. <br /><br />I think Peter was referring to Pittsburgh as Linebacker U. It confused me too initially, but I don't believe he was talking about FSU, but the Steelers. Why he called them "Linebacker U" which seems to indicate a college I don't know. <br /><br />Rich, does that mean JaMarcus Russell is the 2nd winner of the "JaMarcus Russell award?"Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-28955696444884856652010-09-20T21:13:46.248-04:002010-09-20T21:13:46.248-04:00Martin, I actually thought about the LeBron situat...Martin, I actually thought about the LeBron situation, despite the fact I haven't heard any quotes from him talking about how they need to appease him. I was shocked Peter printed those secondhand quotes from Favre, but I can bet he actually said it. It just seems like him, especially the fake retirement part. <br /><br />I guess my thing with Vick, and please remember I don't like him as a player so I am trying to be objective, is that you do build an offense around him but he isn't a quarterback like McNabb or Manning that you build an offense around. I don't know if you can build a successful offense around Vick if that makes sense. I could be wrong and he almost proved me wrong in Atlanta, but I just don't know if he will ever pass the ball well enough. <br /><br />Basically, he hasn't ever be a good passer in regards to accuracy and I don't know how/why he would start now. I hope for Eagles fans sake I am wrong.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-64359898671462043162010-09-20T21:12:26.879-04:002010-09-20T21:12:26.879-04:00ivn,
With respect to Locker, you raise good point...ivn,<br /><br />With respect to Locker, you raise good points. He has gotten a lot of bad habits at Washington, some just a by product of playing on a bad team.<br /><br />However, he's never had a year where he completed 60% of his passes. That's absolutely pathetic for a projected number 1 QB. He's really fast and athletic, but that doesn't make him a QB, it makes him an athlete. <br /><br />If you have the number 1 pick in the draft do you use it on a guy who has a lot of skills, but none that you are actually employing him for? <br /><br />In other news, Alex Smith is the first winner of the "Jamarcus Russell" award given to the QB who keeps getting chances to start despite sucking.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-91451310408871480852010-09-20T20:27:48.277-04:002010-09-20T20:27:48.277-04:00Arian Foster had 19 carries for 69 yards and 3 cat...<b>Arian Foster had 19 carries for 69 yards and 3 catches for 69 yards and no touchdowns. If Peter can over react last week and call Foster a top-3 fantasy pick, I can over react and say those aren't the numbers of a top-3 fantasy running back.</b><br /><br />to be fair, that's the way the fantasy season goes. Cop Speed and Mojo Drew were considered top 3 RBs before the season and look how they did yesterday.<br /><br />/has CJ in the BotB league<br />/has MJD in his other league<br /><br /><b>Which comes out to about 4 yards per carry, which isn't terrible. Stewart got 8 carries for 43 yards, but because he was too successful running the ball, he did not deserve too many more chances to get in the game. Success is not an option with the Panthers.</b><br /><br />not to mention for the second week in a row the Panthers were down at halftime and had to pass. I have DeAngelo Williams in my other league along with MJD and right now I'm really regretting picking two running backs from shitty teams.<br /><br /><b>No denying Amukamara is a really good corner, but when are people going to realize that Locker sucks? </b><br /><br />all the writers love Locker because he is super athletic but he's going to be a coach's nightmare. not necessarily because of his attitude but because he's still a project after four years in college. he learned a lot of bad habits starting for a shitty team as a freshman and he hasn't really un-learned most of them. he still has to work out the kinks in setting his feet and realigning his shoulders on a consistent basis, making better decisions, and reading half-decent defenses (Nebraska confused the shit out of him and that's not really a good sign). <br /><br />the biggest reason we should not listen to Peter's analysis on Amukamara (even though the kid probably is going to be a solid pro) is when he writes "Linebacker U. is producing another one" in his praise of Florida State product Lawrence Timmons. how did that get through? do any of his editors even follow college football?ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-82198323324912590422010-09-20T17:21:49.945-04:002010-09-20T17:21:49.945-04:00Or the fact the White Sox were struggling even bef...Or the fact the White Sox were struggling even before they got Manny.<br /><br />The Sox had that really nice month and a half where they took over first, but then Peavy went down and they've been struggling to recover from that. Manny playing poorly hasn't helped, but he's just one player. <br /><br />Going back to Vick, he showed some flashes of being his old self. He'd run around the pocket and wing the ball; he'd take off and run at the first sign of pressure; things that work really well if you're 20, but not so much when you're 32.<br /><br />There were a couple throws that were just awful. He'd have a guy relatively open and overthrow him by 10 yards or he'd put the WR in a position to have to stop the INT.<br /><br />There's no doubt that Vick could help several teams in the league as a starter, but like you said BGF you have to build an offense around his skillset. The fact that he's 32 means you wouldn't have the ability to really build that team, so that limits his options.<br /><br />Peter sees that Vick completed 62% of his passes in one game and thinks Vick could be a starter. Someone really needs to tell Peter that completing 60% of your passes is something that's expected. Not just in one game, but in every game. I really don't think Vick has that type of (ugh, I don't want to use this word) consistency in him.<br /><br />For example, Peyton Manning has completed less than 62% of his passes only once (over a season) and that was his rookie year.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-44668820426268415852010-09-20T16:52:16.703-04:002010-09-20T16:52:16.703-04:00Oh, and Peter doesn't mention the fact that th...Oh, and Peter doesn't mention the fact that the Twins have gone 13-2 in the same timeframe he's castigating Manny. 13-2 is pretty fucking good.<br /><br />And isn't everything about that piece about Favre sound similar to what went on with LeBron? Except the Cavs kept trying to appease him even after he bitched them with that 3 year and opt out contract. The Packers told Favre to take a flying leap. Let's go Aaron Rodgers!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-42209450939204253072010-09-20T16:38:35.890-04:002010-09-20T16:38:35.890-04:00Rich and Martin, I did not see the game (except fo...Rich and Martin, I did not see the game (except for highlights), which is why I talked in generalities. I don't believe it is a new Vick until I see him do this every week. He can throw the ball, but based on the fact I have read he didn't dedicate himself to being a great QB in Atlanta I have to see/hear about that commitment in Philadelphia before I believe it. <br /><br />That Schaub joke you used Rich, I was going to use the same thing. Decided against it. <br /><br />I'm still not convinced TB can stop the run, but they didn't have to worry about the pass at all yesterday, so they had no problem committing to stopping the run and they still almost gave up 4 yards per carry. <br /><br />I think Matt Moore is the goat because the game wasn't winnable because of him. Of course you could say the same about Favre I guess. <br /><br />Peter King knows how to announce an emergency dammit! There will be no second guessing. That train employee should have been much more calm under the circumstances or fear the wrath of Peter. <br /><br />As of Saturday, I realize Jake Locker sucks. At this point, I wouldn't take him in the 1st round at all. Nebraska has a great defense, but like when they shut down Colt McCoy, it says something about the quarterback as well as the defense. <br /><br />What? It was ALL Manny Ramirez that caused the White Sox to regress. What's all this Edwin Jackson talk about? <br /><br />Martin, I think Vick can be a starting QB in the NFL, but I also think he isn't a guy who will ever be a great passer and 6 quarters of him being a great passer aren't going to convince me otherwise.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-87252998812887056622010-09-20T16:21:13.923-04:002010-09-20T16:21:13.923-04:00He says after 6 quarters, that Vick might be the n...He says after 6 quarters, that Vick might be the new polished QB, Vick. Did Peter actually WATCH the last half of the first game. Vick was doing every old Vickism there is. He was running around, not letting plays develop. Typical Peter. Just typing shit and seeing what sticks to the wall.<br /><br />I will say that Vick was better the second game, and a team could definitly win with him at QB. I'd need to see half a season before my thoughts on how Vick really QB's would change. Peter? Eh, 6 quarters, of which it seems he saw about 20 plays.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-88261284250052408972010-09-20T15:47:33.294-04:002010-09-20T15:47:33.294-04:00He completed 62 percent (21 of 34). Played mistake...<b>He completed 62 percent (21 of 34). Played mistake-free; no turnovers. </b><br /><br />Mistake free? A couple of his passes were right to defenders who just couldn't hold on. He forced a few throws and really didn't direct the offensive line very well. He still played a helluva game though.<br /><br /><b>I know many of you don't want to see Vick succeed because of his past crimes.</b><br /><br />Says the guy who said he's never buying gas from BP ever again.<br /><br /><b>"I felt their guy coming inside on me,'' Schaub said</b><br /><br />No means no!<br /><br /><b>DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart ran for 97 yards on the day, but it took them 25 carries to get there. </b><br /><br />Like you said BGF, that's 4 per carry. That in it's own right isn't bad enough to warrant mentioning. Never mind that Carolina replaced Moore with Clausen for the second game in a row. Tampa's defense didn't have to worry about the passing game, so it's only logical that the Panther's running game would suffer.<br /><br /><b>By the time he gets in the lineup, Rice might be two or three weeks away from returning.</b><br /><br />And there's a huge difference between 2-1 and 1-2 after you start your season 0-2.<br /><br /><b>Goat of the Week<br /><br />Matt Moore, QB, Carolina.</b><br /><br />Why not be Brett Favre? He threw 3 picks in a winnable game. Moore played half a game that the Panthers lost by 13.<br /><br /><b> with a scared edge to his voice.<br /><br />I mean, are you kidding me? The PA system on a train with 300 passengers is not the place to sound borderline panicky about an old man who falls in the bathroom.</b><br /><br />Maybe it was his first day? Maybe it was his first situation like that? Maybe he wasn't told specifics about what had happened and had simply been told to give an announcement? <br /><br /><b>His tight coverage helped push down the draft stock of Washington quarterback Jake Locker, thought to be a candidate for the first overall pick next April</b><br /><br />No denying Amukamara is a really good corner, but when are people going to realize that Locker sucks? <br /><br /><b>I think I admire Jerry Jones for not going all Steinbrenner and firing his kicker, who has missed 34- and 44-yard field goals in the first two weeks. </b><br /><br />The same Jerry Jones that cut like 4 kickers last season? Ya, he's so patient with kickers.<br /><br /><b>I'll say this about the addition of Manny Ramirez for the White Sox: It actually propelled them in reverse.</b><br /><br />What really hurt the White Sox? Peavy getting hurt and then trading, inexplicably, two young, highly regarded pitchers, for Edwin Jackson.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.com