tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post4172642133549567244..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: John Steigerwald Thinks If You Were Shot To Death By a Gang It's Your Fault For Wearing a Red ShirtBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-34883401382881522002011-04-19T08:46:14.912-04:002011-04-19T08:46:14.912-04:00Martin, that's not extremely deep writing or a...Martin, that's not extremely deep writing or anything, but coming from a non-writer it is easy to read and makes sense. I would enjoy reading what he writes from time-to-time. <br /><br />Considering the source and the fact he probably has no journalistic training Duff isn't a bad writer. See, I think Steigerwald could have taken what Duff wrote in the second column and expounded on it as a professional writer and made a good column. He chose not to do that.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-75882402252887725632011-04-18T21:37:26.720-04:002011-04-18T21:37:26.720-04:00http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/music/news/...http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/music/news/story?id=6169317<br /><br />and <br /><br />http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/thelife/music/news/story?id=6288739<br /><br />Two articles by Duff that I was telling Ben about. Not great writing, but better then Steigerwalds....Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-70950760319419457962011-04-18T18:44:06.119-04:002011-04-18T18:44:06.119-04:00Martin F, I don't think the guy did any resear...Martin F, I don't think the guy did any research into the stadium and really why should he? You wouldn't think you could get beaten to death at a game. <br /><br />The point that is being reached for here could easily be made by a better writer or a better point of view. Using those four themes you talked about it would work...but not this article. No way. It was in bad taste. <br /><br />I am glad you told me a/b being at Dodgers stadium and the security. That puts a whole new spin on it and where the blame should go. It should go on the park if they have cut down on security and mostly the guys who beat Stow...but not on Stow for wearing a fucking jersey of the opposing team. <br /><br />I complain about Braves game and the fans not being rowdy enough, but you can take your family to the game and wear whatever jersey you want. <br /><br />So based on what you said, I can see the blame being: <br /><br />1. The guys who did the beating. <br />2. The McCourts for not having sufficient security. <br /><br />Not with Stow. I can't believe this article was written like it was. I can honestly say he may have had a point if he had changed the article completely. He could have a point, but the fact he didn't get how insensitive he was disturbs me. <br /><br />Rich, what is funny is the entire reason Steigerwald is railing against Stow is because he thinks he is part of the team and is immature for wearing a jersey. He doesn't seem to turn this same anger on the actual perpetrators of the crime who were MORE immature and trying to defend their team. So the guy in the jersey was the victim, but it is claimed the jersey is what creates a gang mentality. I just don't get it. <br /><br />I like this quote: <br /><br />"When did it become okay to attack people who root for a different team than you? Why is it so wrong to wear a damn jersey, but completely acceptable to act like a complete jackass because someone likes a different team than you."<br /><br />It is so true. I wear a jersey just to support the team. It's the same as a shirt or a hat. It doesn't make me want to kick someone's ass. I have to say, if Steigerwald couldn't see how talking about the incident and then talking about jerseys are immature can be seen as partly blaming Stow for his own beating...then he is blind. <br /><br />It is dumb to blame a person, even in the opposing team's stadium, for cheering for their team. There may be shit being talked or heckling, but no one could foresee a beating. That's part of the fun of sports, going to a game and cheering for your team. I don't see how a jersey can incite a beating with no other inciting incident.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-44991649143596046222011-04-18T17:01:24.899-04:002011-04-18T17:01:24.899-04:00Here's the problem that I have with stupid ass...Here's the problem that I have with stupid ass arguments like this: they're logically inconsistent. <br /><br />Snow is berated for being 42 and wearing a replica jersey, while the people who <b>were protecting Dodger turf</b> are defended. How is it more juvenile to wear a jersey at 40 than it is to beat someone within an inch of their life under the name of "protecting the turf"? <br /><br />I'm sorry, but "protecting the turf" is something that is more childish than wearing a fucking jersey.<br /><br /><b><br />Here's tip for you if you actually think that wearing your team's jersey makes you a part of the team:<br /><br />It doesn't.</b><br /><br />Here's a fucking tip for those of you who think beating someone half to death is "defending the turf":<br /><br />It isn't.<br /><br /><b>If you're one of two or three guys wearing Steelers jerseys sitting in the middle of the Dawg Pound in Cleveland, guess what? The Steelers players can't see you</b><br /><br />He's missing the entire point of why people wear a fucking jersey. I wear my Jeff Carter jersey when I'm watching games at home watching on tv and I'm almost positive that the players can't see me then.<br /><br /><b>When did it become necessary to wear a uniform to the game?</b><br /><br />When did it become okay to attack people who root for a different team than you? Why is it so wrong to wear a damn jersey, but completely acceptable to act like a complete jackass because someone likes a different team than you.<br /><br /><b> It is, however questioning the wisdom of ANYBODY wearing Giants gear to Dodgers Stadium on opening day, when fans have been drinking and tailgating all day. </b><br /><br />He wore a jersey. From all indications that was the only thing he did wrong. He didn't insult or antagonize anyone, he wore a god damn motherfucking jersey and some morons thought acceptable action was to nearly kill him. <br /><br />I went to a Mets - Phils game last year at the new Shea, didn't wear any Phillies' clothing, didn't cheer too loudly and generally kept my mouth shut the entire game because I knew one asshole fan out of the thousand that were around me would take offense. <br /><br />It was by far the most boring, unexciting and joyless experience I have ever had at a sporting event. <br /><br />If you can't go to a game and cheer for the team you're rooting for what's the point in going? The joy and happiness we get from sports is entirely from the fact that you follow a team for so long that their ups become your ups; their downs your downs. You aren't a part of the team, but you share many of the same emotions. To blame anyone for going to a game and trying to take part in that is so stupid I cannot fathom it.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-68866003740084681622011-04-18T16:30:52.598-04:002011-04-18T16:30:52.598-04:00Opps, missed putting in that security patrols arou...Opps, missed putting in that security patrols around to stop the tailgating because it costs McCourt concession money. This security only seems present for pre-game parking lot patrols though.Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-47476302619551966462011-04-18T16:27:39.233-04:002011-04-18T16:27:39.233-04:00The writer also assumes that people going to games...The writer also assumes that people going to games should do some long investigation into recent safety and criminal incidents at the stadium. Guy bought a ticket, was going to the game. He's probably gone to Dodger v Giant games in Frisco and didn't see anything like this, so sure wasn't thinking he'd be running for his life after the game.<br /><br />Sadly, I think that the point that Steigerwald thinks he was making, could be made in a non-offensive fashion by a decent writer. Covering the broader overall concepts of tribalism, violence, uniforms, booze. It would make an interesting social sciences article I think.<br /><br />Steigerwald also makes claims that have no basis in fact. There is no tailgating at Dodger Stadium, it isn't allowed and the security actually patrols around to stop that. It might actually be better if it did allow it, because instead you get young men standing around drinking out of "water" bottles and such, getting hammered, while everybody else goes inside.<br /><br />Lastly. I've been to Dodger Stadium about 120 times in my life. Since the McCourts bought the team, safety has gone to hell in comparison to the old times. Under the O'Malley's and Fox, there was a constant security presence. Ushers in every aisle who would patrol and make reports ALL the time to security, who routinely came down and talked to people or removed them from the stadium for being obnoxious, much less violent. Always lots of patrol cars in the parking lots maintaining flow of traffic and safety. Under the McCourts they were reduced to 4 cars in the outer circle. 4 cars to police 40k people. An absolute joke because McCourt is a cheap ass. This lead to a rise in problems in the parking areas, and also the bleachers in the outfields. <br /><br />I haven't been to a game in 3 years because of all these problems. It's a beautiful stadium, and the teams been decent, but the safety and hassels of dealing with it all just isn't worth it now. It's easier to make the drive to see the Angels play in a stadium that under Arte Moreno HAS increased it's security awareness, and is a nice place to take a family to the game....Rally Monkey not withstanding.Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.com