tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post5338870008120914268..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: MMQB Review: The Dead Week EditionBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-64354057159240960072010-02-01T16:50:56.412-05:002010-02-01T16:50:56.412-05:00Rich, I didn't even think about the fact it wo...Rich, I didn't even think about the fact it would piss the Competition Committee off to move the KO back. Maybe they can discuss this will they are in a lockout and figure out a way to fix it. <br /><br />Rich, I didn't even pay attention to the timeline with the Giants/Cardinals. I like Kurt Warner, but he was barely a backup in the NFL after 1999. <br /><br />Kbilly, I am assuming Warner got his degree and I did have the timeline wrong with that. I always thought he bagged groceries immediately before he played for the Rams. I remember his fumble problems in New York and did he really think they would bench the #1 pick for him? It seems like he hadn't shown them that much at that point. <br /><br />Rulebook, I can see the "donut" PK refers to his more of an injury issue than a performance issue. Possibly Warner should be seen as a guy who had some injuries that held him back, rather than a guy who had a bad performance during those years. So maybe my PED rant for him is off base a little bit. I still there is a PED problem in the NFL though. <br /><br />I think Warner just got another chance with a great offense and he took advantage of it. There is really nothing wrong with that I guess. <br /><br />Kent, I think I would be surprised if PK didn't rip the Pro Bowl as meaningless and then base his Fine Fifteen on parts of it. Whatever they can do to make the Pro Bowl more exciting, I am all for it. <br /><br />Go, it wasn't a terrible pass, but it also wasn't a bomb that Bruce caught in stride either. I have always thought it was more of a great play by Bruce.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-74988110378271948672010-02-01T16:08:18.546-05:002010-02-01T16:08:18.546-05:00It was a poor Warner pass to Bruce in Super Bowl X...It was a poor Warner pass to Bruce in Super Bowl XXXIV.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aIKAWqaSd4&feature=PlayList&p=EB533D1524D74778&index=40<br /><br />The play starts around 6:20Gohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11309871029061042816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-877989223487189882010-02-01T15:47:32.788-05:002010-02-01T15:47:32.788-05:00My favorite part of the PK column was how he used ...My favorite part of the PK column was how he used what happened in the Pro Bowl seemingly as part of his basis for the Fine Fifteen, then ripped it for being meaningless.<br /><br />They should have let OchoCinco kick. A few years ago the highlight of the NHL All-Star game was the skills competition in which NHL stars tried to score goals while wearing funny hats. The final score of the hockey all-star game is usually something like 143-142.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-49418128373166477032010-02-01T15:36:39.386-05:002010-02-01T15:36:39.386-05:00KBilly,
I'm a huge Giants fan also, and you a...KBilly,<br /><br />I'm a huge Giants fan also, and you are completely right. Warner only signed with the Giants because no one wanted a fumble prone QB with a thumb injury. Obviously he got over all that stuff to regain his greatness, but all this comeback story stuff is overrated. Warner took the same path as Garcia; backup for a year with the Eagles until a job opened up (the Bucs) the following season. Even though Warner started the season as the Giants starter, everyone knew he would be benched quickly. Ernie Accorsi doesn't draft someone who he calls the next John Elway to leave him on the bench for the entire year, especially when the Giants were awful anyway.Dylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521399272029891606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-8451328940826792032010-02-01T15:07:48.135-05:002010-02-01T15:07:48.135-05:00I am a HUGE Giants fan. Warner was benched in NYC ...I am a HUGE Giants fan. Warner was benched in NYC because he was the reason the Giants were losing games. He was good for 2-3 fumbles a game.<br /><br />Once the playoffs started looking out of reach, they figured that getting Eli some game experience in a lost season would pay dividends down the road. And it did. <br /><br />Warner wasn't signed by the Giants to be the long-term answer. He was supposed to hold down the fort and help Eli along for a season. He did just that and I thank him for it.KBillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10204189643490253188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-8307819997213363402010-02-01T14:51:21.796-05:002010-02-01T14:51:21.796-05:00Rich, you are right about the Warner backup myth. ...Rich, you are right about the Warner backup myth. I am ashamed of myself for not catching it.<br /><br />From 2002-2006, the donut to which King refers, this is the number of starts Warner missed in each season.<br /><br />2002: 10 (injured thumb on throwing hand in week 4)<br /><br />2003: 15 (benched for Bulger after fumbling 6 times due to not fully healed thumb, Martz's lack of belief in pass protection, and Bulger's success)<br /><br />2004: 7 (benched for Eli after Giants lost two straight to fall to 5-4: Eli proceeded to lose the next 6 games)<br /><br />2005: 6 (replaced by Josh McCown for two separate stints due to injury)<br /><br />2006: 11 (benched for Leinart after 1-3 start and declining performance)<br /><br />The interesting point here is that Warner began all 5 of these seasons as the starter. The only season he didn't begin as the starter was 2007.<br /><br />In none of these seasons did he play awful. In two of them, his starts missed were due to injury, and in the other three, the teams were looking for a reason to play their young stars.Thilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439591828137103506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-15725316202353445862010-02-01T14:49:38.999-05:002010-02-01T14:49:38.999-05:00Kurt Warner had a college degree and he couldn'...Kurt Warner had a college degree and he couldn't even get a job as the grocery store night assistant manager. He was bagging groceries.<br /><br />Never thought of it that way. Funny.KBillyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10204189643490253188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-81119779058823826732010-02-01T14:30:31.138-05:002010-02-01T14:30:31.138-05:00You know why they'll never move the KO back? B...You know why they'll never move the KO back? Because that'll change the way OT is played versus the other four quarters and as PK told us last week, the competition committee won't consider it then.<br /><br /><b> With the Giants and Cards, he seemed to settle into a nice little backup role. </b><br /><br />He started for the Giants and then basically complained when they started Eli. He then left in the off-season to Arizona, who themselves had a very similar situation. So basically, he was the backup for what? half a season? Partially because he was hurt (and not playing well) and partially because the Giants had a young QB. I don't follow Arizona closely, but Warner probably started pretty early on.<br /><br /><b> I am honored, touched, pleased and humbled by those of you who came up to me at the stadium last night and chatted with me about Monday Morning Quarterback and SI stories you recall fondly. </b><br /><br />Had I been there I would've pretended to be the kid who he tricked out of the HR ball and punched him in the face.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-24273032056800304122010-02-01T14:25:16.044-05:002010-02-01T14:25:16.044-05:00Why would Peter pay for coffee? It's not like ...Why would Peter pay for coffee? It's not like he should have to do that. He's important!<br /><br />I like your theory about why the other writers voted him to be the AFC pool writer. You are probably right and they most likely had a bet that he would bring it up in his MMQB. <br /><br />I don't know if Favre did hit the wall, I think Peter just put it in there to give another excuse for the crucial int. I thought Favre looked good in the 2nd half, of course I wasn't in the locker room, but the stats don't give an indication he was getting tired. <br /><br />I was always under the impression that Warner took the stocking job when he was 26 and took the job AFTER he went to the arena league since that is the way the story always seemed to be told. My fault, but nowhere in Warner's story does anyone mention he stocked shelves a full 4 YEARS before he got to the NFL. I thought the timeline went: <br /><br />Green Bay training camp<br />Arena League<br />NFL Europe<br />Stock shelves<br />St. Louis Rams<br /><br />So my fault, I didn't do my research but I thought I understood the story by now. I hear people talking about how he stocked shelves before he was the Rams quarterback, I didn't know it was a full 4 years before. It ruins the story for me a little bit w/ such a long time lapse. <br /><br />If the NFL goes on strike, I will still watch, but depending on what happens I don't know how attendance will go. It may not suffer, but I don't see the solution being a lockout. The average NFL fan is priced out of the market for tickets and I think a lockout would be more of a perception problem than an actual problem. But perception problems have hurt sports before and can do so again.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-1198242391593257002010-02-01T13:48:52.316-05:002010-02-01T13:48:52.316-05:00Well, ya know, he could have bought a 5 dollar cof...Well, ya know, he could have bought a 5 dollar coffee (or whatever the stadium charges) from a vendor, but Peter's too freaking cheap to do that.<br /><br />I think the other writers voted for him to be the pool writer so that they didn't have to be, and could hang out in Miami having fun. He thinks it's an honor, and they are happy to not have his cheap bitch ass around.<br /><br />Peter might ask himself why almost no team ever defends when winning the toss to start the game either. Of course his tiny brain can't think about that, it's still bitching about not getting Pete's or Starbucks for free at the Miami Pro Bowl.<br /><br />As to the Viking who thought Favre hit the wall at halftime. Another example of why never ask an athlete a question they might have to think about. If one looks at Favres stats for the 2nd half, they are really pretty good...except the two interceptions. Lots of completions, both short and long yardage. If Favre throwing interceptions is part of hitting the wall, then he's hit the wall more then any other QB in history. Yet again, P King gives us a quote, and then doesn't do anything with it or place it in any context. He has to be the laziest writer out there. At least Gregg makes shit up and offers 2,000 word explanations for stuff, even though he's wrong.<br /><br />As for Warner the stock boy, hey he was only 22 or 23, pretty much right out of college and football camp. As I remember, it was a job he took cause he was still able to work out and stuff during the day, and he was trying to figure out what he wanted to do if football didn't work out. Not like he was a 30-year old career minor leaguer at this point.<br /><br />I still can't believe that the NFL is going to try and go down the NHL path of labor negotiations. It won't cripple the league like what happened with the NHL, but it will take a big hit I think. There was a great article about the new Yankee stadium and how sports have priced themselves beyond the means of casual fans. How in America, households making 75k a year or less have, right now, zero discretionary income, and so they aren't even trying to attend sporting events live. People spending $800 dollars a season on football tickets are sure going to reconsider that if there is a work stoppage. Good luck ever getting another city to pony up a penny when 750 million dollar franchises are crying poor after a lockout to grab more of the money pot from the players. This is going to be a fiasco.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.com