tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post5532135552489623529..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Peter King Tells Us How Mike Shanahan Will Improve the Redskins to 9-7 Before He Gets Fired In 2 YearsBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-46838414360028585322010-01-08T23:49:23.427-05:002010-01-08T23:49:23.427-05:00I am a big fan of Boise State and TCU, so I was ex...I am a big fan of Boise State and TCU, so I was excited and enjoyed that game. I thought it was a good one. I have to admit the team I was impressed with was Iowa. I had followed them all year and didn't really think they could beat GT, but they did and they looked good doing it. <br /><br />I didn't think Stanzi was a great QB but they are a different team with him out there. If he was there for the losses I think it may have been a different outcome. He gives the team a swagger and a feeling I think they lack without him. <br /><br />I would have rather seen one of the 2 undefeated TCU/BSU play Iowa, Cincy, Florida.<br /><br />I don't want to shortchange Jackson or Welker but one of them has to go for Johnson. I think he was just giving Rivers some love.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-46612794488838408182010-01-08T21:47:53.891-05:002010-01-08T21:47:53.891-05:00Hey, you *really* think the TCU Boise St game was ...Hey, you *really* think the TCU Boise St game was better than Iowa GT? I'm pissed about GT losing but hot diggity damn, didn't Iowa pretty much prove that if Stanzi had been healthy at the end, they would have been legitly in the mix?<br /><br />It was just an awesome defensive performance, and Paul Johnson choked (not really, just delayed doing the necessary outside pitches too long and did his customary what the hell was that pass call). Iowa for sure would belong on the field much more than Cincinatti against Florida.<br /><br />--shah8<br /><br />ps...Vincent? What the hell? I would just think he's throwing love P. Rivers way...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-86679330866979958242010-01-08T19:17:39.317-05:002010-01-08T19:17:39.317-05:00Mike Shanahan = Epic Fail. I would say Barber woul...Mike Shanahan = Epic Fail. I would say Barber would have been a better fit for Denver. They could have also gotten: <br /><br />Brandon Jacobs<br />Kerry Rhodes<br />Jason Brown<br />Chris Canty<br /><br />That was just the fourth round. I left out Trent Cole, Jay Ratliff or the undrafted Ryan Grant.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-62546347234104485382010-01-08T14:44:31.261-05:002010-01-08T14:44:31.261-05:00The next running back taken after Clarett in 2005 ...The next running back taken <i>after</i> Clarett in 2005 was Marion Barber, so I imagine Denver could have done better.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-63378260226336861332010-01-08T13:18:19.290-05:002010-01-08T13:18:19.290-05:00That blurb about Maurice Clarett is my favorite pa...That blurb about Maurice Clarett is my favorite part of the Peter King mailbag. As if drafting Maurice Clarett over a ton of other players was a good move. I don't think anyone really knew what Mike Shanahan was thinking and the only ones who gave him the benefit of the doubt did so because of who he was. <br /><br />That was a bad pick and really a sign that Shanahan was looking for talent in players where there really wasn't any.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-91163981808341172982010-01-08T12:11:56.863-05:002010-01-08T12:11:56.863-05:00"Expect the unexpected. Shanahan doesn't ..."Expect the unexpected. Shanahan doesn't care what you or I think. He drafted Maurice Clarett in the third round"<br /><br />Peter thinks drafting Clarett is a sign of someone who knows how to build a team? I remember the Bronco boards speculating on whether Shanahan was stoned when he made the pick. This was a guy with character issues (obviously) who had sat out for two years, and ran a slower 40 at the combine than half the offensive lineman that year (I think it was something like a 4.93). As later results showed, it was a stupid, stupid pick, and the first time I noticed that Shanahan had truly lost his grip.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-87131361785755954672010-01-08T08:20:19.648-05:002010-01-08T08:20:19.648-05:00HH, I thought about your argument when I was watch...HH, I thought about your argument when I was watching the game. You do have a point when talking about in-game experience because Gilbert started to look a lot more comfortable as the game progressed. It's a good point as to why it is important to play backups. I actually touch on the Edelman/Welker issue a bit in my playoff predictions. <br /><br />I don't want to punish teams for protecting their players, I think it is a coach/organizational decision, but I also would do whatever is best for the team to win a Super Bowl. Mandating playing the starters for a team when homefield is clinched or something is insane and I think also a really bad idea. If a team clinches and doesn't want to play its starters, that's the team's decision. <br /><br />I do have to agree with Casey and say I, as well as the rest of the NFL, is over reacting a little bit because the Colts are a special case of this because they were (a) going for a perfect record and (b) have rested starters before and it didn't work out. How many times is a team going to be going for a perfect record and then rest its starters? <br /><br />HH, that's interesting how you think the salary cap is going to cause more inequality when it's entire purpose is to cause equality among the teams in the NFL. It could happen, but I am more interested to see what happens with the owners and players this next off season and how that may affect inequality in team records. <br /><br />Martin, I can accept the Colts decision, but I don't agree with it. Like you, I can't figure out how personal goals are worth attaining in a game, but team goals aren't. Especially when it's going to be nearly a month since the offense was last on the field together. I just think it was potentially a bad move for them to rest the starters. They had such momentum and were playing so well...<br /><br />It is a good point that potentially a team would not clinch as early under an 18 game schedule. Maybe I am mixing two issues that don't need to be mixed, but under the 18 game schedule there will be a bigger need for good backups since theoretically more injuries could occur during the season. <br /><br />Again, I think I, and others, are getting too caught up just in the Colts situation. It was a pretty special situation and they didn't even have their backup Jim Sorgi playing, they had Curtis Painter starting and he was 3rd string all year. I had no problem with the Saints sitting their starters and I would potentially go see a game where the starters sit. In the special situation of the Colts though, the fans had a chance to see a perfect Colts team go 15-0 and I think that is where much of the debate is still coming from. <br /><br />I have no problem w/ resting starters, a team has to see what the backups can do, but the Colts were a special case. <br /><br />I don't THINK Easterbrook wrote "Game Over" in his notebook, I KNOW he wrote "Game Over." Also, a weasel coach won the National Championship, that has to burn him up.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-78583049928035411702010-01-08T07:51:56.734-05:002010-01-08T07:51:56.734-05:00Actually, the Colts and Saints wouldn't have b...Actually, the Colts and Saints wouldn't have been taking 4 games off because they wouldn't yet have wrapped up home field. Adding two games also means it's two more games for someone else to catch up.<br /><br />I, as a fan, wouldn't have a problem if I'd bought tickets to the last home game of the season and my team chose to mimimize the starters' playing time to keep them fresh/uninjured for the playoffs. What I want is to see my team win the Super Bowl, and if that means I watch second-stringers most of the game, then that's what it means. I also think, like HH said, that it's usually a good idea for your backups to have some game experience to try to maximize their preparedness for when they have to play.<br /><br />All that said, I do feel like the Colts are a special case here, mostly because they've been in this situation before and it's usually worked out poorly for them. I think it has to do with the nature of their offense, but that's just a guess.<br /><br />With less than 4 minutes to go in the first half of the game last night, Alabama punted from inside Texas' 40. Oops, I mean "Alabama launched a mincing, 'fraidy-cat punt from the maroon zone." Do you think TMQ wrote the words "Game Over" in his notebook?The Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323030436625176444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-70773255560883422192010-01-08T03:01:21.211-05:002010-01-08T03:01:21.211-05:00I don't mind teams resting starters, per se, b...I don't mind teams resting starters, per se, but in cases like the Colts, when it's obvious that this plan hasn't worked in the past, something else needs to happen. Seriously, unless Manning was going to play 1 play, hand the ball off, and walk off the field, there was NO REASON he should have been on the field at all for that last game. Same with Clark and Wayne. Either play to win, or don't play, cause this half assed shit is jsut as likely to get someone hurt as anything. <br /><br />I think as we've all seen though, this makes the idea of the extended schedule even more absurd. The Colts and Saints would have been taking 4 games off to keep players from being injured. At that rate they almost need to be able to expand the rosters like late season baseball.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-10809061889261441182010-01-07T23:48:40.911-05:002010-01-07T23:48:40.911-05:00I think the Texas Longhorns are showing us now how...I think the Texas Longhorns are showing us now how important it is to play your backups in meaningless games: You can see Gilbert growing up as the game progresses. Imagine if he'd been mopping up the second halves of all those Texas blowouts. <br /><br />Think about Edelman, having to replace Wes Welker, the NFL receptions leader, going into the playoffs. Game experience prepared him better than anything. <br /><br />I don't think we need to punish teams for dominating and prevent them from being able to protect starters/develop young players. And I think this is going to become more important because I think the salary cap will cause teams to have more extreme records: there is no point in winning 6 or 8 games, so teams will put all their eggs in a two-three year window, probably have great records, and then rebuild for the same period with extremely young cheap players and bad records. You know what I mean: sign super studs, prorate the cap hit over six years, content two years, and cut half of them, and, because of the cap hit, play with undrafted rookie free agents until you're out of salary cap hell. I don't know why, in all the talk of parity, no one's mentioned this before, or at least I haven't heard it. But I think the salary cap will increase in-season inequality of records, and that'll make the rest starters/start 'em a bigger issue than it already is.HHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-31207156302958676742010-01-07T19:44:44.621-05:002010-01-07T19:44:44.621-05:00Rich, I am conflicted on it too actually. In the c...Rich, I am conflicted on it too actually. In the case of the Colts, I thought they should have played their starters. <br /><br />I can see your point on this issue. It is necessary to see your backups play during game action, but hopefully you would also have a feel for how these guys would play during practice and the preseason as well. I am actually not against teams sitting their starters in certain situations. <br /><br />For the Saints, (since you brought up Brunell), I think they should have played Brees a few minutes against Carolina since he hasn't played much lately and the team has not played well either. <br /><br />I can see how a coach would need to play the backups and sit the starters during a game at the end of the season. For me, I think a coach should do whatever helps his team win more games in the playoffs. If that is sit guys so they can get healthy, then I would do that, but if it is to play guys to keep rhythm, then that is the right call. <br /><br />Injuries do happen in the playoffs and I think the Patriots are better off with Welker getting injured against the Texans so they can gameplan with Edelman as the slot receiver. <br /><br />I can see your point and it does suck for fans to see the backups. It would be nice if the ownership would give the Colts fans a discount on the last game of the season tickets since the starters won't play, especially since they have a home playoff game for extra revenue.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-48803833719598454812010-01-07T18:51:41.457-05:002010-01-07T18:51:41.457-05:00Bengoodfella,
It's actually something I'm...Bengoodfella,<br /><br />It's actually something I'm conflicted on. On the one hand, you when playoff teams sit starters, the games become much less interesting, so as a form of entertainment, it loses some value.<br /><br />However, injuries happen in the playoffs too and I can see the benefit of playing backups in meaningless games so you can evaluate how your gameplan needs to change if a player goes down in the playoffs. <br /><br />For example, if Brees gets hurt in their first playoff game, knowing what Mark Brunell is capable of doing is crucial because you can't run the same type of offense with Brunell under center as you can with Brees.<br /><br />So it might suck from an entertainment standpoint and there are (as have been made over the past few weeks) very valid reasons to, even if just for a half, play your starters, there are also valid reasons for sitting them.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-34354652402603919952010-01-07T17:07:36.140-05:002010-01-07T17:07:36.140-05:00Yeah, I didn't count that game on Shanahan'...Yeah, I didn't count that game on Shanahan's record perhaps I should have. I don't know why I left it off since I included Bubby Brister's long and glorious Broncos career. <br /><br />The best part of that video is Rodgers-Cromartie trying to start a fight for an instant and then realizing three of his guys had gotten run the fuck over by Johnson and it may not be a good idea...you know, since three of his guys may be laid out and he was surrounded by 5-6 Texas. So Rodgers-Cromartie pushes for a second and then just quits and walks off the field. <br /><br />Yeah, we are doing the playoff pick-off. I just want to make it interesting. <br /><br />Rich, I don't think there is a way the league could mandate teams play their starters. It simply wouldn't work. You are right that players would sit with fake injuries. I know there is a need to make sure the quality of play is high, but the teams get enough shit as it is when they don't play their starters. I will be interested to see the reaction among the Colts fans when they play their first playoff game at home. <br /><br />I am sure they will cheer, but I will be interested anyway as to how they react.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-84838977954960024862010-01-07T16:43:06.831-05:002010-01-07T16:43:06.831-05:00I'd love to see the league mandate teams play ...I'd love to see the league mandate teams play starters. It'd mark the first time an entire team was put on the DL as having a "lower body injury."<br /><br />PK is a moron.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-56272513500528188882010-01-07T16:27:32.853-05:002010-01-07T16:27:32.853-05:00all you need to justify Andre Johnson's All-Pr...all you need to justify Andre Johnson's All-Pro candidacy is this:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpWqMqrZwTU<br /><br />let's see Vincent Jackson do that, Peter King<br /><br />ps - a playoff pick-off would be a pretty good ideaivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-53848117748568761662010-01-07T14:52:53.710-05:002010-01-07T14:52:53.710-05:00Danny Kannel: 0-1
The famous game against the Pat...Danny Kannel: 0-1<br /><br />The famous game against the Pats where the Pats took the intentional safety by snapping it over the punter.HHnoreply@blogger.com