tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post5825841026035333640..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Tom Brady: System QuarterbackBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-11123090034894015532011-10-25T11:29:58.196-04:002011-10-25T11:29:58.196-04:00Anon, that sounds like that is pretty much it. Fin...Anon, that sounds like that is pretty much it. Find a semi-accurate QB and put him on the Patriots and three Super Bowls will follow. I am sure the author would argue the reason Brady has the SS TD record is b/c he had Moss and Welker on his team. <br /><br />It is amazing other teams haven't tried to do this same thing with the Belichick system. It's almost like they are missing a piece to make the system work...probably not a quality quarterback and quality head coach.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-8459391046475047862011-10-25T06:46:20.665-04:002011-10-25T06:46:20.665-04:00So anyone with accuracy could have been a 3 time s...So anyone with accuracy could have been a 3 time sb champ, hold the ss TD record and be the first unanimous MVP?<br /><br />I love this stuff as a Pats fan it seems fans of every other team are mystified by the Pats success and need to find someway to play it off as no biggieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-2167590346623124912011-10-24T21:55:09.662-04:002011-10-24T21:55:09.662-04:00Rich, I made that joke in the last sentence and th...Rich, I made that joke in the last sentence and then realized there were 2-3 pitchers that pitched well in Atl and then sucked a/f they left. Whatever, I still have a point. Adam Eaton is a god, no one can argue that. <br /><br />Martin, great point. I forgot to mention the O-lines. The Patriots keep Brady clean which is always helpful. I agree the system works, but it doesn't work on the level it does without a guy like Tom Brady. He makes system work better.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-23317071647656096762011-10-24T21:03:23.477-04:002011-10-24T21:03:23.477-04:00If I may. An All Pro Offensive line is more import...If I may. An All Pro Offensive line is more important than All Pro wide outs. Give any smart, accurate QB time to throw, and even average wide outs can get open. The key to the Patriots system is that it manages to use just exactly these level receivers and still thrive. Brady makes the system work, the system doesn't work without Tom Brady (or an elite level QB. Brees, Manning, Rodgers)Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-36755960118159105912011-10-24T20:30:15.310-04:002011-10-24T20:30:15.310-04:00How about Adam Eaton... dude really lit it up here...How about Adam Eaton... dude really lit it up here with the Phillies. <br /><br />::polishes pitchfork::richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-32871476905377157592011-10-24T18:35:20.065-04:002011-10-24T18:35:20.065-04:00Rich, I hate Brady for a variety of reasons (Ok, n...Rich, I hate Brady for a variety of reasons (Ok, no reason...the Super Bowl), but it has irritated me with Manning's injury and Matt Cassel struggling how this seems to reflect negatively on Brady somehow. <br /><br />I agree with you about how it doesn't matter if it is the product of a system, but the author admits Brady has mastered two systems which makes me believe he may actually be a good QB. <br /><br />The "what if" portion of this article irritates me mostly b/c, like you did, you can do this do this with any team or player. The part comparing Navarre and Henne involved way too many variables for me to take seriously. If they were the exact same player and went to very similar teams with similar circumstances I could maybe see the comparison, but the fact is while Brady had better coaching he also had to do more to earn the starting job in New England than Henne did in Miami. <br /><br />My two least favorite parts were in order: <br /><br />1. The insinuation any semi-accurate QB could excel in the Patriots system. <br /><br />2. The idea the Patriots have had a line of WR who were fantastic and All-Pro caliber. I hate defending Brady, but this just isn't true. It's a myth he had a ton of help in the form of playmakers when he won the Super Bowls. <br /><br />I think the entire pitching staff of the Braves in the 90's were just products of the system. They all really suck. Throw a semi-accurate pitcher on the team and he can excel (Ok...no Jaret Wright/John Burkett jokes).Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-74325723533318086252011-10-24T15:29:32.984-04:002011-10-24T15:29:32.984-04:00A strong arm wasn't as much a requirement as w...<b>A strong arm wasn't as much a requirement as was a clear, intelligent head.</b><br /><br />Ya, because being a complete moron with a strong arm worked really, really well for Jeff George, JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, etc.<br /><br />I'd rather have a QB who is smart and can capably run an offensive system than a QB like Romo or Favre who make/made careers out of chucking the ball up and hoping for the best.<br /><br /><b>How much is his greatness merely the product of a great system?</b><br /><br />As much as I hate Brady and NE, the answer to this question is simply: <i>it doesn't matter.</i><br /><br />It doesn't matter that he ended up in a system that played to his strengths, it doesn't matter that he ended up surrounded by players who complemented his abilities, it doesn't even matter that he's slept hot women. <br /><br />All that matters is that he was able to go out and execute the gameplan well enough to win multiple Super Bowls, which unlike Big Ben, he won by playing well.<br /><br />Just because he's surrounded by the right system doesn't change the fact that he's done well in that system. <br /><br />JaMarcus Russell was tailor made to run the Raider's offense and sucked, so being in the right system doesn't matter if you don't perform well.<br /><br /><b>but would it be the same for Tom Brady? Would he have had the same career outside of New England?</b><br /><br />Does it matter? What happens if Rivers ends up in NY? Does Eli win a SB with the Chargers? Do the Giants beat the Patriots?<br /><br />What about Ryan Leaf? What if he goes number 1 to the Colts? Do they win a SB? Do they win more than they have with Peyton?<br /><br />It doesn't matter, the man went out and helped his team win multiple championships while playing at a high level.<br /><br /><b>Since we can't rewind the clock and play this thought experiment out, let's look for players who were similar to Brady coming out of college.</b><br /><br />This might be the dumbest thing ever. Brady was replaced while at UM several times and so he may not have performed as well as those who consistently started and played. Also, it assumes that once they graduated, they worked just as hard and had the same level of instruction.<br /><br />From most accounts, Brady busted his ass once he was drafted and had the Hoodie and Drew Bledsoe to learn from. Who the was going to help Navarre? <br /><br /><b>rady just happened to be drafted by New England. So, do we have an answer now?</b><br /><br />Yes, Henne is still young and playing on one of the shittiest teams in all of shitdom with a dumbass for a coach and no one to mentor him.<br /><br />There's no denying that Brady ended up in the right place for him to go, but that doesn't change the fact that he made the most of it and performed.<br /><br /><b>Belichick took an above-average college player and put him in a system that any semi-accurate QB could have excelled.</b><br /><br />His name? Matt Leinhart.<br /><br /><b>has been its skill at wide receiver—Troy Brown, Deion Branch, Randy Moss, Wes Welker, the list goes on.</b><br /><br />That looks like two mediocre WRs, one great one who was passed his prime and a guy who is really good at what he does.<br /><br />Branch went to Seattle and NE just said "don't let the door hit you in the ass." Ya, real pivotal to that offense.<br /><br />And of course we remember how effective Moss was in Tennessee right?<br /><br /><b>It re-casts castoffs (Corey Dillon, Chad Ochocinco, Moss, Donté Stallworth) in critical roles.</b><br /><br />So where are all these great wide outs? The only all-pro caliber receivers Brady has had are Welker (who is a product of the system!) and Moss, who is now listed as a castoff... so who the hell did Brady have that was so good that I missed?<br /><br /><b>And for Tom Brady it made him great when he could have been anything but</b><br /><br />Of course, had Brady gone anywhere else, he would have sucked b/c he in no way, shape or form worked to improve his skillset within the confines of the specific system he ran.<br /><br />I think I could make a new website and write about how Roy Halladay is the product of a system and get people to buy it.richnoreply@blogger.com