tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post6140392459358907997..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: The NBA Future of JimmerBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-71073227105976769112011-03-30T16:11:42.017-04:002011-03-30T16:11:42.017-04:00Arjun, I say that about rhythm because that is wha...Arjun, I say that about rhythm because that is what held up J.J. Redick in the NBA. I am not comparing the two players, but I know he was used to being able to shoot himself into a rhythm and set up the defender and he didn't have time for that in the NBA. I was surprised the Magic didn't give up on him. <br /><br />I can see Jimmer using some of the strategery that Nash uses, perhaps we will call it the underrated speed Nash has, but I am not sure I would compare him to Nash any more than that. I may look stupid in a few years, but I don't think Jimmer is a natural passer, though he will sneak by opponents at first with this deceptive speed. <br /><br />I do question his ability to finish at the basket. I do this simply because I think some of the creativity he uses won't work as well in the NBA. What he does have going for him are the angles he uses, so I could be high on him in the future for that reason. Still, I don't seem him being any more than a strong offensive guy off the bench. Maybe a Vinnie Johnson type player.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-19262767390824002492011-03-30T15:35:35.352-04:002011-03-30T15:35:35.352-04:00that is a fair point that he won't have so man...that is a fair point that he won't have so many shots to be able to get into a rhythm as he did at byu. a lot of guys in the nba certainly struggle when they go to the bench and need to provide instant offense without being able to get into a rhythm. we'll see how that affects him.<br /><br />jimmer is not underrated as an overall player, but everybody focuses on his scoring and his passing gets overlooked. he was 3rd in his conference in assist rate, he's not just a gunner that can't pass. that's all i'm saying. he's not exactly like nash but a lot of his game is similar, and i think jimmer can succeed against significantly more athletic opponents using many of the same skills and techniques that nash uses.<br /><br />when defenses don't collapse on him he will finish at the rim. at least that is my belief. yes he's not athletic but he is good at using angles, body control, and creativity to find was to put the ball in the basket. i can understand people not being as high on him as i am - i might be going a little over the top. but for people to say that he can't play in the nba at all is garbage (i'm looking at you, rick reilly). i'm convinced that at the very least he can pull the ben gordon-routine as a guy that can come off the bench to light up opposing second units, carry the offense for stretches, and occasionally have plays run for him at the end of games.Arjun Chandrasekharhttp://www.arjun-allthingssports.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-86129456496778431372011-03-29T18:41:37.191-04:002011-03-29T18:41:37.191-04:00Martin F, I think very similar to you. Fredette wi...Martin F, I think very similar to you. Fredette will be a great bench player and a guy who can come in and offer offense. At some point, perhaps he could turn into a starter, or maybe he could be a starter for a while until someone gets a scouting report on him. <br /><br />My biggest issue with him is that in the college game he had a chance to set up shots later in the game...meaning he could drive by a guy to the basket and then later hoist up a 35 foot three point shot. I don't know if he will have time in the NBA to set up his defenders like he did in college. He's incredibly talented and I don't question his talent, but I think it will be tough to go from an offense built around him to an offense where he is the 4th/5th option. <br /><br />He needs to learn to be effective scoring points going from the main ball-handler who looks for his shot first and then the pass to a guy who may be open, to a guy who has to look pass-first like good NBA point guards do. <br /><br />I think he does have great vision, but most of his good passes are a result of the defense paying a lot of attention to him. I don't think that will happen at the NBA level. What happens when the defense doesn't collapse off him, what kind of passer will he be then?Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-70816367383400028932011-03-29T18:15:27.077-04:002011-03-29T18:15:27.077-04:00Dale Ellis. That's who I see when I see Jimmer...Dale Ellis. That's who I see when I see Jimmer. Guy with great range and very good shot with below average lateral movement who will have trouble defending point guards because of it. He's to small to handle many shooting guards, so I think he will never be an effective starter. I have no doubt he will be a very effective bench player who can start on occasion because of injury. <br /><br />He symbolizes this draft to me. A bunch of guys who can be highly effective players, but no stars.Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-45245560737725227342011-03-29T16:10:11.205-04:002011-03-29T16:10:11.205-04:00I've made my opinion known when I did my post ...I've made my opinion known when I did my post about the 1st round draft prospects a few weeks ago. Not much has changed since. I saw what I thought I would see in the tourney. He got his shot blocked three times in the first half against Florida because he's aggressive and goes to the basket. <br /><br />Jimmer will be a role player in the NBA. He's like the Tebow of the NBA. The problem I see is how he will fit in on a team where he can't be the gunner. You can say he had to score so many points for the team to succeed, which may be true, but what will he provide on the court when he can't shoot 20 times per game? <br /><br />BYU had a great offense for him. He didn't even have to play in the flow of it and could just launch a three point shot when he wanted to. He WAS the team. That will change in the NBA. <br /><br />He doesn't finish at the rim against athletic opponents, that's the problem. Against Florida, which would qualify as a more athletic opponent, half of his shots were three point shots. Actually, that's true for a lot of games. Most of his shots were three pointers and he uses that shot to set up his inside drives to the basket. Bottom line is he isn't going to have 20 shots to get his points in the NBA. <br /><br />I see him as coming off the bench and maybe developing into something bigger, which could very well happen. He's talented. He's no Steve Nash and never will be. Nash is a distributor point guard and Fredette distributes when he isn't busy shooting the ball or can't get his shot. That's the difference in them. <br /><br />Also, nothing about Jimmer is underrated. He's going to be the National Player of the Year. He has not been underrated in any way. I think he could have a bright future in the NBA, but I will be interested to see what happens when he can't have all of the shots he has taken and has to distribute the ball before anything else. He can succeed at that. <br /><br />The comparisons to Morrison are stupid. They are nothing alike, nor have they ever been. They are both white, that's about it.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-23498221705500848212011-03-29T14:54:55.409-04:002011-03-29T14:54:55.409-04:00dylan you took the words right out of my mouth. w...dylan you took the words right out of my mouth. worst case I see him as a ben gordon-type of scoring guard that can light it up off the bench. best case, i think he can pull the steve nash routine - you're damn right i just went there. when i watch jimmer i see a lot of the same qualities that made nash great during my time in phoenix; the way he finds creative angles to get to his spots, the way he somehow finishes at the rim against longer, more athletic opponents, the way he always seems to know when to pass and when to shoot. he doesn't rely on athleticism; he uses his hoops IQ, his handles, and his wide array of fakes to get around on the court. his court vision and playmaking are highly underrated. The reason he was such a gunner at byu is that he had no choice; byu's only hope for winning was for jimmer to score 40 a night, something that won't be the case in the pros. to dismiss him as just another morrison or hansbrough is lazy to me.Arjun Chandrasekharhttp://www.arjun-allthingssports.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com