tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post6243487292525368999..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: If Don't Like Tim Tebow It Is Only Because You Know He is a Better Person Than YouBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-42732895667463523692011-11-23T09:44:12.235-05:002011-11-23T09:44:12.235-05:00Anon, Orton is Fox's type of quarterback. I ha...Anon, Orton is Fox's type of quarterback. I have a feeling the vets on the team like winning and they thought Orton could do that for them. Orton was terrible this year. I'm not sure why, but I didn't see him being that terrible. <br /><br />I'll be interested to see how Orton plays wherever he ends up. I still think he is at best an average QB, but teams could do a lot worse as well. <br /><br />If Tebow is knitting mittens for orphans you can bet we will hear about it. <br /><br />In related news, the Cutler trade looks like Chicago won it. <br /><br />They got Cutler and Johnny Knox for what amounted to: <br /><br />Orton- now released<br /><br />Richard Quinn- released (injury settlement<br /><br />Seth Olsen- released <br /><br />Robert Ayers<br /><br />Bears 1st round pick- a lot of trades went down, but can be traced to the trade for Tebow/Decker/Thomas.<br /><br />So the Broncos do have time to even it out a bit.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-71150998866010891372011-11-23T00:09:15.347-05:002011-11-23T00:09:15.347-05:00Kyle Orton was praised over and over by Fox, Elway...Kyle Orton was praised over and over by Fox, Elway and the Bronco veterans all liked him over Tebow. I hope now that Orton is released he signs with Chicago and leads the Bears to the playoffs while Tebow helps old ladies with their groceries and knits shirts for orphans while Orton is in the playoffs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-77829735559468253642011-11-22T12:40:31.218-05:002011-11-22T12:40:31.218-05:00Matt, I haven't heard Denver called God's ...Matt, I haven't heard Denver called God's team yet. That's really scary. The best criticism of this point of view came from one of the Panthers ex-beat writers. He was referring to Thomas Davis and John Kasay, two of the most religious and faithful people on the Panthers team. Davis has blown out his ACL three straight years and John Kasay kicked the ball out of bounds in the Super Bowl a few years ago giving the Pats a short field. He asked if we believe God looks out for Tebow and the Broncos, does that mean he doesn't care about Kasay and Davis? If so, that's ridiculous because they are as devout as Tebow is. <br /><br />This goes for other faithful athletes as well. <br /><br />Eric, it doesn't help John Fox is a great coach. He can straight coach the hell out of a defense and is a great situational coach. Unfortunately, he is also fairly inflexible and his offense isn't built to come from behind. I think Denver is in bad shape b/c they will have to start Tebow next year if he goes 3-3 the rest of the year. I just don't believe the offense is sustainable and the illusion of success may hold them back a bit. <br /><br />Anon, there's no doubt that Tebow is getting the job done at this point. The real reason Tebow has been successful is the defense for Denver has been great. I don't dislike him as a person and I am sure he is a great guy. He's just a football player to me, no matter how much people want to make him more. Orton played terribly this year, but there has to be a villain in the narrative and he is that guy. I don't get how Orton is supposed to be upset he has been benched. He should be used to that by now b/c it happened in Chicago. <br /><br />I have nothing against the Broncos offense, but at some point a team will make Tebow throw and make the Broncos come from more than 10 points behind (not including the Dolphins). That will be the real test.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-31635644293137453482011-11-22T12:19:41.432-05:002011-11-22T12:19:41.432-05:00Great article. Coincidentally Vince Young is now 1...Great article. Coincidentally Vince Young is now 1-0 as a starter of a bad team where he played poorly for 3 quarters and had one good drive. I don't like Tebow the media creation for all the reasons you stated about and I don't even care for Tebow the person because of his association with Dobson's anti-choice, anti-gay hate group. Poor Orton being cast as a villain. I don't see that from him at all. He knows he is Kyle Orton. I have decided to just be patient. Just like the Wildcat was figured out they will figure out Tebow's option and he will be out of the league shortly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-82965352583024859842011-11-22T10:23:30.592-05:002011-11-22T10:23:30.592-05:00Unfortunately the Broncos remaining scedule isn...Unfortunately the Broncos remaining scedule isn't that tough. The worst I see them doing in the remainder of the season is 3-3 so get used to Tebowtalk for the next 9 months.Ericbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-54794655719488780022011-11-22T09:45:47.588-05:002011-11-22T09:45:47.588-05:00"She is making him to be a perfect, infalliab..."She is making him to be a perfect, infalliable deity..."<br /><br />This is what gets me. I hear friends say that "Denver is God's team now", that "when your playbook is the Bible", and "when Tebow wins the Super Bowl it will prove that God exists." <br /><br />I'm sure you've seen the Tebow "Jesus" jersey by now. It's the deification of Tebow that is most distrubing. I'm afraid that if Denver does win a Super Bowl that Teboism will become an official religion, with him as a living God. hell, it may happen regardless.conshy matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02256920118100856001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-37256021375800742182011-11-22T09:12:32.332-05:002011-11-22T09:12:32.332-05:00Rich, I think Tebow is a great guy and I would nev...Rich, I think Tebow is a great guy and I would never cheer against him doing well. I do, however, cheer against the sportswriters who breathlessly write about anything he does. So I guess in a way I am cheering against him as well. Articles like this are why Tebow is disliked. <br /><br />What amazes me, and I mean it does amaze me, is Tebow seems unfazed by those critics around him. I probably couldn't do that. It's funny because he can ignore many of his critics since the media takes so many bullets for him. They stick up for him at times. It's the whole idea of saying, "Don't judge Tebow on his faith" and then an entire article about Tebow's faith is written by a sportswriter. The media wants it both ways with Tebow. <br /><br />The media wants everyone to think Tebow is a great, faithful guy...but then they also want everyone to not bring that up about Tebow since they consider it insulting. THEN they want to make Tebow immune from criticism b/c of his faith. That's why I think any criticism of Tebow is taken so personally by the media b/c they are the ones who tie his career and faith together so strongly. <br /><br />Martin, that's how I feel. If I say Tim Tebow probably can't run an NFL offense at this point, I am not saying he isn't a good person. That gets confused. Of course, he keeps winning, which is attributable (like Rich said) to the defense and not just Tebow. Would Tebow be a winner if his defense gave up 49 points? Probably not. <br /><br />Murray, sorry about that. I am bitter b/c I had a roommate in college who watched wrestling and I had to watch MNF and a bunch of other shows elsewhere. I felt like wrestling was on every night of the week, so I grew a fierce dislike for it. <br /><br />As far as Hogan goes, he was my favorite wrestler when I was little, but he was on a VH1 reality show. I think I have a bias against that.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-28983984394214983302011-11-22T08:21:53.667-05:002011-11-22T08:21:53.667-05:00No need for the shot at pro wrestlers. To get to t...No need for the shot at pro wrestlers. To get to the level he was at in that business Hogan had to be pretty damn smartMurraynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-54048164169094631172011-11-22T04:35:21.882-05:002011-11-22T04:35:21.882-05:00I like Tebow. I think he sucks as a QB. Far to man...I like Tebow. I think he sucks as a QB. Far to many of his supporters couldn't draw a play up in the dirt and think criticism of his play is the same as attacking the man. They need to get a life.Martin F.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14565240074256943063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-85639261467172552202011-11-21T19:33:43.543-05:002011-11-21T19:33:43.543-05:00That’s one of the verses Tebow inked beneath his e...<b>That’s one of the verses Tebow inked beneath his eyes at Florida, during that season when his eyeblack had more Scripture than the bedside table at an airport Sheraton.</b><br /><br />I'm a Christian and I think it's admirable that Tebow is so open about it. However, if you do stuff like this (i.e. make it a public thing), you can't be surprised or upset about people who attack you for it. You made it public domain.<br /><br />Even then, while the media was rampaging the Detroit play mocking Tebow's celebration... <i>Tebow didn't seem to care</i>. The media makes everything about Tebow a positive story. <br /><br /><i>It isn’t Tebow’s actions that drive the public crazy. It is the media’s reaction to Tebow’s actions.</i><br /><br />This is absolutely 1,000,000% the truth. If I could etch this in stone and drop it off in the ESPN parking lot, I would. <br /><br /><b>Other players would’ve turned water to whine by now, speaking out of turn, criticizing the coaching strategy or strongly suggesting that they get a chance to start.</b><br /><br />I think Tebow went about the situation in the right way. That said, who knows what Tebow was doing behind the scenes? How do you know he wasn't in Fox's office every day asking to replace Orton? <br /><br />More importantly, at the time Tebow was the <i>third string QB</i>. If you're the backup to the backup, you have no ground to ask to start, absolutely none.<br /><br /><b>That’s as perfect a summary of Tebow as you can get: He’s a Christian first, a football player second.</b><br /><br />THE TWO AREN'T EVEN REMOTELY MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.<br /><br />You know why "student athlete" works? Because if you focus on one, it takes time away from the other. There is no trade-off between Christianity and football. None. <br /><br />Of course this brings me to the reason I want to see Tebow fail: after every game, you see some mention of Tebow. Twice this year, Tebow's "legend" has been the subject of an ESPN front page story. I'm sorry, but if you've trying to tell me to not make "snap judgments," while writing articles about his "legacy" after a whopping dozen or so starts... sorry, you're a hypocrite. <br /><br />That's what the media doesn't get. We don't care about Tebow the person. Mike Vick was a terrible human being an yet people still love watching him play. Eli Manning is a nice guy and people crap all over him when he says he's "elite."<br /><br />The problem ultimately rests with the media. They refer to Tebow's legacy and <i>his</i> wins, despite the fact that the Broncos are barely averaging over 14 points a game with him at QB and that includes defensive points too.<br /><br />You don't have to look any further than this week's win against the Jets. He sucks for 56 minutes (like he does almost every week), puts together a nice drive and the Broncos win. After the game, is the love for the defense that played lights out? No, it's about Tebow's one drive.<br /><br />Keep in mind, the Broncos had, up to that final drive, an incredibly 120 offensive yards. Think about that 120 offensive yards in 55 minutes and the articles about the game are about what a "gamer" and a "winner" Tebow is.<br /><br />Never mind that of the 17 points, 7 came on a pick six and 3 more came on a really nice PR that put them in FG range (Tebow managed to move the offense like six inches in the 3 downs after). So Broncos offense = 7 points, Broncos defense and ST = 10 points. Tebow's legacy? <br /><br />It's like the pitcher who manages to have 15 wins or so with an 80 ERA+. Most fans will go "this guy sucks, he's been helped out by the offense," while the media takes turns writing articles about how he's a cog in the starting lineup. <br /><br />So, to summate, I don't hate Tebow for who he is as a person, I hate the media coverage making it seem like he's the greatest QB in the league when the Broncos are winning in spite of his awful performances.richnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-102866130314022592011-11-21T15:27:23.695-05:002011-11-21T15:27:23.695-05:00Jack, that is very worth noting. I'm glad you ...Jack, that is very worth noting. I'm glad you liked it. It is clear I am bitter because Tim Tebow is a better person than me. That's the source of my "hate" of Tebow. "Hate" being defined as "reasonable criticism of his ability to play quarterback in the NFL."Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-28692652468158617002011-11-21T15:01:10.558-05:002011-11-21T15:01:10.558-05:00"Speaking of garbage, the Denver Broncos fini..."Speaking of garbage, the Denver Broncos finished with a franchise worst 4-12 record last season and have sputtered to a 1-4 start, thanks in part to Kyle Orton’s 58.7 completion percentage. Other players would’ve turned water to whine by now, speaking out of turn, criticizing the coaching strategy or strongly suggesting that they get a chance to start."<br /><br />Tebow is completing 44% of his passes. Thought that was worth noting. <br /><br />Brilliant takedown of one of the worst articles I've ever read.jacktotheracknoreply@blogger.com