tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post6864742411223318110..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: Mike Celizic Thinks Peyton Manning Should Play Better DefenseBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-12078113500087327082009-12-28T12:21:04.119-05:002009-12-28T12:21:04.119-05:00It's interesting you say that Martin, because ...It's interesting you say that Martin, because I mention that a little bit in the MMQB for today. I am starting believe it is important for a team to play all their players in every game to keep momentum, but I do understand why a coach holds players out. <br /><br />That being said, I still think it isn't Manning's fault the Colts haven't won multiple Super Bowls.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-50378218836946782452009-12-28T12:18:50.930-05:002009-12-28T12:18:50.930-05:00I'll even go this far. The Colts constantly lo...I'll even go this far. The Colts constantly lose in the playoffs because they are taking 2-4 weeks off every year because they stop playing the last week, 2 or 3, and then get a bye week on top of it. You'd think that after this strategy didn't work the first 4 times or so they'd give up on it. Instead, Mike Celizic thinks it's Mannings fault....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-29864079004480689602009-12-27T12:13:44.096-05:002009-12-27T12:13:44.096-05:00I know how this is going to come off but you won&#...I know how this is going to come off but you won't find less of a Dan Marino fan than I. I won't argue whether he was a great quarterback or not, obviously he was, but I honestly I could be talked out of putting him in the Top 10 of all-time. He was a great QB but I don't think he was the leader the other guys were. Maybe I have too many memories of him yelling at his receivers at the end of his career or blaming them for something that went wrong on the field. I could be jaded by that, but I always got the feeling his team didn't enjoy playing with him. <br /><br />I have nothing to back this up, but even with his interceptions and all of that I would probably (maybe) take Favre over Marino. Favre as annoying as he is seems to have some intangibles Marino didn't have...of course Marino may have been a better QB. Now I am confused. Marino was a great quarterback, and I may remember the end of his career a bit much...or his cameo in "Ace Ventura." <br /><br />Kent, you are right Manning is an all-time great. If only he could be covered a little bit more or someone would talk about it right? <br /><br />Martin, I love Steve Young. I used to say Young was almost as good as Montana, but I have quieted that down. LOVED Steve Young though.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-58341943491271880562009-12-27T05:37:34.616-05:002009-12-27T05:37:34.616-05:00Who have people heard about less, Antonio Gates, o...Who have people heard about less, Antonio Gates, or Peyton Manning...YOU MAKE THE CALL!!<br /><br />Brought to you by..."Defense Wins Championships" and "You've got to be able to Run the Ball, and Stop the Run".<br /><br />Marino and Favre to me are two of a kind, but with Reggie White and Desmond Howard leading the Pack to victory in a Super Bowl, while failing to ever play for Miami. Great QB's who were never the best QB playing at the time, and nowhere, ever, near being the best of all time. <br /><br />Montana, Elway, Unitas, Otto Graham, Manning, Brady to me would be your 6 to toss into the BoaT discussion. Young, Staubach, Fouts, were all as good as Marino and Favre, and feel free to say they were better, I won't naysay you.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02929927900897638100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-89568630877985013882009-12-27T00:59:06.026-05:002009-12-27T00:59:06.026-05:00When Dan Marino retired, if anyone said he was the...When Dan Marino retired, if anyone said he was the greatest quarterback ever, no one heard because of all the people arguing about whether John Elway or Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback of all time.<br /><br />I have no love for any of the Mannings, but you have to be a complete idiot not to realize that Peyton is going down as one of the all-time greats. It is a pity no one's ever heard of him.KentAllardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16034050997693995004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-87771483405713708812009-12-26T23:43:55.313-05:002009-12-26T23:43:55.313-05:00That's a good point that Manning is still fair...That's a good point that Manning is still fairly young. Elway didn't win his 2 Super Bowls until later in his career and I think Manning still has time. <br /><br />I don't like it when writers blame individual players for a team's lack of success in a team sport. If Manning was a pitcher in baseball then maybe I could understand the criticism, but his numbers haven't been great in the playoffs, but they also haven't been bad. <br /><br />It is another issue that Manning took a bad team and made them good. There wasn't a whole lot around him when he got there, absent Marvin Harrison, so I think it's unfair to judge his inability to win multiple Super Bowls on him not individually doing it. <br /><br />It's fair to criticize him for not living up to his high standards in the playoffs (even though he is playing good teams who most likely play good defense), but Celizic should realize there is more that goes into winning a Super Bowl is than just the quarterback's performance.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-17938638866682611142009-12-26T23:17:49.310-05:002009-12-26T23:17:49.310-05:00Rex Grossman, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Matt Has...Rex Grossman, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Matt Hasselbeck, Eli Manning and played in the same number of SBs. <br /><br />Peyton Manning has the same number of SB victories as Brett Favre too... but Brett has "fun" out there, so we tend to overlook this fact when it comes to his "legacy."<br /><br />If you're going to criticize Manning for only having one SB ring you have to:<br /><br />1. Pile on other QBs who have either the same number or less: Favre, Kelly, Marino, etc.<br /><br />2. Consider that Manning hasn't even retired once yet, so to say he's overrated bc at this point he only has one SB appearance is asinine.<br /><br />3. When Peyton went to the Colts they were terrible. That's a vastly different story than Eli going to the Giants, Big Ben going to Pitt, Rivers to SD or even Brady stepping in for the Patriots. Taking a bad team and turning them into an annual threat to win a SB is much different than taking a team that already has pieces in place (read: defense, defense, LT/defense, SB caliber team).<br /><br />It makes me laugh when writers knock players for a lack of team accomplisments. Completely neglecting that had the Colts had taken Ryan Leaf, they probably wouldn't be a threat to make the playoffs let alone be a legit contender for a SB over the past decade.FormerPhDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12837594679660975599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-84920770090273471082009-12-26T22:27:28.073-05:002009-12-26T22:27:28.073-05:00I see where you are coming from. The expectations ...I see where you are coming from. The expectations for Manning are much higher which means he isn't going to meet a lot of people's expectations of him. He does look stupid, in fact I do the Forrest Gump voice to make him when I watch him play. Obviously he is not stupid. We know he's great and we should know it is not completely his fault the Colts haven't won more Super Bowls. <br /><br />I think there could be a case for Eli, but I don't think he should be in the discussion if that makes sense. Basically he could be a candidate but the circumstance he is thrown into, what you mentioned, doesn't mean he should be considered a viable candidate...though he is invaluable to the team.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-40170539097961385292009-12-26T21:02:04.543-05:002009-12-26T21:02:04.543-05:00I totally agree that Peyton Manning is already rec...I totally agree that Peyton Manning is already recognized as the best QB in the NFL (maybe Brady's tied with him, but I still think Manning is better). I think Celizic is mistaking infamous for famous. We recognize Brady because he's a pretty boy, he had a feel good story being drafted in the 6th round and winning close game after close game. Manning has none of these things. He was EXPECTED to be great. He was the #1 overall pick. He is not a pretty boy. In fact he looks kind of stupid. There's nothing that completely stands out about Manning. Unlike Favre, we don't need to keep justifying his behavior because he's great. Everyone just knows.<br /><br />Regarding Eli, I'm a Giants fan and even I admit that the claim that he's an MVP candidate is ridiculous. He's only putting up good numbers and carrying the Giants because they cannot run the ball, and are throwing it 40 times a game. So of course his numbers are inflated.Dylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02521399272029891606noreply@blogger.com