tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post8478235340308820019..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: 5 Things I Think I Think Peter King Has Not Thought Of: 50% Discount EditionBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-13207443097831446942009-06-25T10:51:09.647-04:002009-06-25T10:51:09.647-04:00I don't like watching the hitters hit but I fe...I don't like watching the hitters hit but I feel the same way you do about anyone on the field should hit as well. I guess that is why there is a different rule in each league. The best of both worlds. <br /><br />The Celtics may be asking a bit much for Rondo, but I would take that Gay and Conley for Rondo and Scalabrine trade. I don't know if this would work under the cap but I would certainly also take Conley and the #2 for Rondo...of course Memphis would never do that. I don't have a super high opinion of Rondo but they seem determined to trade him.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-14928127184285341942009-06-25T09:11:15.519-04:002009-06-25T09:11:15.519-04:00Well I think pitchers should hit, however, I like ...Well I think pitchers should hit, however, I like having a DH for them as well...if that makes sense. Pitchers suck at hitting, except a few, and I'd rather watch a real hitter then someone going up there to bunt or strike out...but I also feel like if you are on the field, you should be hitting as well. <br /><br />I think they want to trade Rondo for a few reasons...most of all is that he will never have a higher price then he does now. But I think they are asking way to much, and I think teams realize he just isnt worth it.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16973629881511639449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-78314266573536223002009-06-25T08:10:29.664-04:002009-06-25T08:10:29.664-04:00Ivn, if Holliday was a bad fit for Howland's s...Ivn, if Holliday was a bad fit for Howland's system then that might bode well for him in the pros. For his sake I hope you are right because he certainly did not look great when I watched him play. I think what you said about Brockman is true, though he is only 6 foot 7 inches he is not going to get bullied in the middle. Will he be a star, probably not, but he can rebound and provide a team some quality minutes in a couple years. <br /><br />Jeremy, I haven't forgotten that Griffin took a dump on Ed Davis and Hansbrough, not at all. I think what makes me temper my expectations of him is that he just made everything look so easy at OU. I know that may not make sense but it just looked so easy I wonder what will happen when he hits better competition. I think he is a solid 18 and 8 guy at worst and I will agree with you and can easily see him hitting 10 RPG...I am just tempering my expectations of him. <br /><br />This draft doesn't have the depth of other drafts in regard to starters and All Stars but I do think there are some good players in there that can become a key part of a rotation. I guess we will see in a few years. <br /><br />A lot of Rubio's ASG appearances will depend on where he goes. I think he is going to the Western Conference and that's why I have him going over 6.5 ASG appearances. There are some good PG's out there but Rubio is still young and I think he will make a few appearances over a couple of those guys before all is said and done. <br /><br />Rondo is supposed to have personality problems with Doc Rivers and when you have a coach as talented as Rivers you have to make sure you trade the player before you get rid of him as a coach. I guess that is the thinking. The Celtics are supposedly worried about what will happen when Rondo gets a ton of money, if he will be an ever bigger asshole. <br /><br />AJ, you are right that it is pretty much going to fall along AL and NL lines but I just wanted to know what everyone thought. I don't have a strong preference and I don't like watching pitchers bat but I still prefer not having the DH.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-41924436208156866212009-06-25T06:36:38.424-04:002009-06-25T06:36:38.424-04:00Rudio, under 6.5 ASG's. Its either way over o...Rudio, under 6.5 ASG's. Its either way over or way under in my mind...I'll take the under because He's gonna be drafted by a Western team, so if he can beat out Paul/Williams/and Parker for the next 10 years, then good...but I don't believe he will be better then those guys.<br /><br />I think the Pistons laughed at Bostons offer, wow was that horrible for them. It sure is something when a team is shopping around a young "great" PG...hmmm kinda weird if you ask me. <br /><br />I like the DH, but thats probably from growing up watching AL teams more then NL teams. I for one can't stand watching pitchers hit. Of course that can be said about watching some of the everyday hitters as well. I think its more of a NL area and AL area when finding out who likes the DH...I would assume most people growing up in a NL area hate the DH, and people growing up in an AL area like the DH.AJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16973629881511639449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-50013755358650139862009-06-25T00:13:10.549-04:002009-06-25T00:13:10.549-04:00See, I think Blake Griffin is too good to just be ...See, I think Blake Griffin is too good to just be an 18-8 guy. People seem to forget this, but in the Elite 8 game against UNC, he pretty much took off his pants and took steaming dumps on Hansbrough and Ed Davis. In games that he played over 30 minutes, he only had 1 that he didn't get 10 boards. If you can rebound that easily in college, you can rebound easily in the pros. It's that simple. Absolute worst-case scenario, he's a rich man's David Lee. <br /><br />I think where people consider this draft weak is the utter lack of depth. Just going back year-by-year, look at the number of guys that will probably make at least 2 All-Star games:<br /><br />2008: Rose, Beasley, Mayo, Gordon, Lopez, Randolph (if they ever figure him out)<br /><br />2007: Oden, Durant, Horford, Stuckey (maybe), Rudy Fernandez (maybe)<br /><br />2006: Aldridge, Roy, Rudy Gay, Rondo<br /><br />2005: Bogut (maybe), Paul, Williams, Bynum, Danny Granger, David Lee, <br /><br />2004: Dwight Howard, Devin Harris, Andre Iguodala, Al Jefferson, Jameer Nelson, <br /><br />2003: LeBron, Wade, Carmelo, Bosh, David West, Josh Howard<br /><br />Now, this year, I see Blake Griffin and Rubio. And that's it. Would I bet my life on Stephen Curry or James Harden making two all-star games? Not in a million years. The absolute ceiling for "franchise players" in this draft is 2 (and to be completely honest, I'm not sure that Rubio is a franchise player). It's probably stronger than the abysmal 2000 draft, but I don't think it's as good as 2006, which was a pretty brutal one it it's own right.Jeremy Conlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999218325324667964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-89922643239750089532009-06-24T22:43:09.693-04:002009-06-24T22:43:09.693-04:00Holiday isn't ready for the NBA. He might have...Holiday isn't ready for the NBA. He might have talent, but he never dominated at UCLA. Not once did I watch a Pac-10 game and think he was the best player on the court. He absolutly needed to stay for another year, but he and his people had decided long ago he was a 1 and done. I think he's going to be a journeyman player at best.<br /><br />If Rubio stays healthy I think he should be fine. He looked great in the Olympics. He's going to be better then Holiday, I'd bet hard American dollars on it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-28320359225421276152009-06-24T22:40:49.609-04:002009-06-24T22:40:49.609-04:00unfortunately, Eckstein is just too scrappy to und...unfortunately, Eckstein is just too scrappy to understand the concept of irony.<br /><br />re: the Draft, going to school in WA I saw more Pac-10 basketball than anything else. Holliday was not a good fit for Howland's system so it might be better off that he bailed on school when he did. Brockman is short but but he doesn't get pushed around and is generally in the right spot around the basket. He'd make a rotation guy. Jordan Hill scares me because he has game but he could easily be a Gooden/Wilcox-style fuck-up.<br /><br />also, Chase Budinger = the white Julian Wright. if someone grabs him in round 1 they get what they have coming to them.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-26228010841078950012009-06-24T22:25:15.898-04:002009-06-24T22:25:15.898-04:00I bet Eckstein heard we sponsored him. He was so p...I bet Eckstein heard we sponsored him. He was so pumped and that is why he threw the ball so hard.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-24503848751154087582009-06-24T22:24:41.192-04:002009-06-24T22:24:41.192-04:00Gosh, I don't want to pull a Joe Morgan here b...Gosh, I don't want to pull a Joe Morgan here but I haven't seen that much of Rubio to really project effectively. Based on what I have read and assuming he goes to the Western Conference I am going to say over 6 All Star Games and first appearance below age 22. The only reason I say over 6.5 ASG is because I think he will make it before he is 22 and then he will get voted in on reputation a few times. Again, I know nothing though. <br /><br />I think Blake Griffin is going to be a 18 and 8 guy, sort of a David West and since this draft doesn't have that many stars that is good enough for me. <br /><br />I am an unabashed Lawson hater/lover. I have seen him play so many times and I am going to be shocked if he busts in the NBA. In the second round, you always have to watch out for those guys who played 4 years in college and scares the pro scouts because they know what they are getting. For some reason that bores some people. <br /><br />This draft is not full of stars, I am not going to say that, but I really think there are some guys who are going to make an impact one way or another. I like a lot of the point guard in the draft. <br /><br />Jrue Holliday scares me because I have no idea what to expect from him. He could bust or be one of the best in my mind. I haven't seen him enough at UCLA to say one way or another. I have seen BJ Mullens and if a team takes him in the first round, they won't like what they see.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-65945781318570230942009-06-24T22:20:47.806-04:002009-06-24T22:20:47.806-04:00also, David Eckstein just sailed a throw over the ...also, David Eckstein just sailed a throw over the head of Adrian Gonzalez in the first inning of the M's/Pads game. can't blame him though, his arm has the grittiness of ten men.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-30686528770196721832009-06-24T21:56:09.726-04:002009-06-24T21:56:09.726-04:00picking nits: Ricky Rubio is not a college player ...picking nits: Ricky Rubio is not a college player (just on your list there)<br /><br />I don't really see Blake Griffin as a slam-dunk star, though. I do think he'll be good but won't quite have the offense to take over the league. I can see him averaging 14 and 12, though. assuming the Clippers don't completely ruin him.<br /><br />I can see the five best picks from this draft (down the road) being Rubio, Brandon Jennings, Lawson, Griffin, and Harden. if we have to limit it to college guys it'd be Lawson, Griffin, Harden, Terrence Williams, and maybe Jrue Holliday.<br /><br />Green, Brockman, Dante Cunningham, and Darren Collison (if he falls that far) will make teams very happy in the second round.ivnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-45078449770879168822009-06-24T20:33:41.593-04:002009-06-24T20:33:41.593-04:00Something that has continued to piss me off:
Peop...Something that has continued to piss me off:<br /><br />People who say Ricky Rubio isn't NBA ready. <br /><br />I mean, if that's the case, then that means that I dreamt the 2008 Olympic Gold Medal game after a three-day opium binge. Like, did we not see him hold his own against Deron Williams and Chris Paul (playing left-handed, mind you, because of his sprained right wrist)? Did we all just collectively make that up in our heads? I spent the last three weeks scouring the internet for Ricky Rubio tape, and and in those three weeks, I found a total of zero players in whatever European League he was in that could stay in front of him. Then compound that with the never-ending list of horrific defensive point guards (Nash, Kidd, Andre Miller, Beno Udrih, Mike Bibby, Chris Duhon, Steve Blake). Then compound that with the fact that he's a legit 6-5 with a 6-11 wingspan. Then compound all of those things with the fact that HE'S STILL ONLY 18 YEARS OLD. If he drops past #3, I'm mailing turd sandwiches to every GM who passed on him. <br /><br />Let's ask the audience here. I'm setting two over/unders. What do you guys think?<br /><br />Rubio's age for first all-star apperance: 22.5 (I say under)<br /><br />Rubio's career all-star games: 6.5 (I say over)Jeremy Conlinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00999218325324667964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-7893458092347898302009-06-24T19:19:16.431-04:002009-06-24T19:19:16.431-04:00I don't necessarily enjoy watching the pitcher...I don't necessarily enjoy watching the pitcher hit either but to be honest I can put up with that simply because I consider the pitcher to be just another position on the field just like the 2B. It may not be a popular opinion, but it is mine. <br /><br />I just don't prefer the DH because I just don't like the idea of a person in there to just hit. I don't think MLB should get rid of it or anything though. <br /><br />I love this trade as well for the Spurs. In this worst case scenario they have Jefferson and he doesn't work out so they have an expiring contract in a year to trade. Not to mention they gave up nothing to get him. I am glad I am not a Bucks fan. I think the Spurs may have something up their sleeve in the draft or will do something in free agency as well. <br /><br />Don't they still have the rights to Tiago Splitter? I wonder if he is ready to come to America and contribute. I think the Spurs will be fine and this was a great trade for them.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-77963162792926677672009-06-24T18:29:39.177-04:002009-06-24T18:29:39.177-04:00I think people like or dislike the DH based on how...I think people like or dislike the DH based on how they see it as a position. People who I know who like the DH say it's because they don't want to watch a pitcher, who normally sucks, try and hit. They want more offense.<br /><br />I look at the DH as a refuge for people who suck defensively and are so bad that they would either not be on a roster, or would be a significant liability in the field. If they are going to hit, make them play on the field. I'm a NL kinda guy, so you can guess where my thoughts drift. <br /><br />LOVE the Jefferson trade for the Spurs. Gives them an option for when Manu is hurt his 12 games a year, and allows them to bench his fragile butt for awhile and not worry about increased scoring. Gives them a great extra option to go on offense with Manu, Duncan, and Parker. When Mason is gonna be your 5th option on the team, you've made a really nice upgrade. The only thing I worry about the Spurs is that they are going to be small up front, which against the Lakers might kill them next year, and maybe even the Nuggets. This was a terriffic trade for the Spurs though, and anybody who thinks otherwise is really overrating guys who are gonna be cut and maybe available for the Spurs to resign.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-72672931380880778472009-06-24T17:54:55.129-04:002009-06-24T17:54:55.129-04:00I am not as down on Rondo and don't really kno...I am not as down on Rondo and don't really know why they want to trade him but just from the looks I would do Gay and Conley for Rondo and Scalabrine. I would keep Rondo but that is probably just me.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-40510659482346852722009-06-24T17:47:47.918-04:002009-06-24T17:47:47.918-04:00I'm surprised they couldnt get those two off t...I'm surprised they couldnt get those two off their hands for Scal alone. Especially after that Gasol trade. I dont know that much about basketball, but even I knew that was a shitty trade for memphis.<br /><br />But yeah, thats what the talk is right now.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-62388689523804093852009-06-24T16:24:22.044-04:002009-06-24T16:24:22.044-04:00Are you offering? Because I very well may be accep...Are you offering? Because I very well may be accepting. Remember, you don't need an elite PG to win a championship. It's Memphis, can't the Celtics get the 1st round pick off their hands also. It can be done, keep trying.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-75532407620473887032009-06-24T16:09:03.206-04:002009-06-24T16:09:03.206-04:00The recent rumor is Rondo and Scalebrine to memphi...The recent rumor is Rondo and Scalebrine to memphis for rudy gay and Mike Conley.Fred Triggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16980604002168881166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-4265530689381820002009-06-24T15:27:56.266-04:002009-06-24T15:27:56.266-04:00Lack of leadership would be a problem if he was 22...Lack of leadership would be a problem if he was 22-23 years old and he has a history of this problem in college, but Jennings doesn't have that history. I know he can be kind of mouthy but that is not a reason to not draft him. <br /><br />I honestly love the Spurs trade for them. They gave up nothing and at least tried to give themselves a shot to milk another couple of years out of the core of the team. <br /><br />I don't know how I feel about that trade for some reason. I just feel like it would make the Celtics deeper but not necessarily better. They do have a limited window of contention and I think trading Ray Allen is a serious proposition for them. I doubt they would want to re-sign him. I go to the Celtics SBN blog and some of the trade ideas are just sad...it's the typical rosterbation that goes on. <br /><br />No, the guy would rather have Joba over one of the three other pitchers. It is pretty close to a toss up, but I think Chamberlain is a good pitcher, if not a little overrated at this point in his career. We don't know if he can be an effective starter for his entire career, and it looks like he is staying in that role. Otherwise it is able to be debated for sure, I would just take Hanson personally. <br /><br />As far as the DH goes, I just don't like the idea of a guy whose only job is to hit. I don't hate the DH and don't think it should be gotten rid of in the American League, I just think that all the players on defense are players and should have to bat.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-45215655567576391532009-06-24T14:39:02.816-04:002009-06-24T14:39:02.816-04:00The knock I keep hearing from ESPN analysts on Bra...The knock I keep hearing from ESPN analysts on Brandon Jennings is that he lacks leadership. He just went, at 18-19 years old, to a foreign country to play ball with grown men professionally, and he was just supposed to walk in and take over the franchise? That's a knock I don't get, and, really, you rarely get leadership from a rookie, even from the point. I think he's going to be a pretty good player.<br /><br />Also, I caught the end of Rome Is Burning, Around the Horn, and PTI yesterday, and it seemed like NOBODY liked the Richard Jefferson trade for the Spurs. What?! I had to check the interweb to make sure they hadn't traded for Ronald Jefferson and I had misread. They gave up three part-time players for a SF who can score and rebouind, and isn't a terrible defender, and that's not good for them? They still have the mid-level exception and three second-round picks to pick up another big man. I think this was a great trade for them.<br /><br />Also, I don't know if the Rondo-Allen for Hamilton-Prince-Stuckey trade would be as bad for the Celtics as everyone thinks. I think it makes them a much deeper team next season, and gives them another couple of bodies to throw at LBJ or Turkoglu/Lewis or Arenas/Miller/Butler/Foye (Yes, I think the Wiz will be a playoff team). Everybody was panning that trade, but I think the Celtics are looking at a limited window of contention, are need to try to win next year, not three or four years down the road.<br /><br />The guy would rather have Joba over all three of Hughes, Jurrjens, and Hanson, or over any one of them? If he means all three, then he's a fool. Any one is debateable.<br /><br />And, technincally, you could use the DH to get an extra fielder, if you let the pitcher hit for himself. If you had Rafael Belliard or someone at short you thought was a worse hitter then your pitcher, you could DH for him instead. But I agree with you. It seems like the pitchers are getting special treatment.The Caseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03323030436625176444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-66143213701651342222009-06-24T12:01:20.223-04:002009-06-24T12:01:20.223-04:00I say those are two strong strikes against Fehr be...I say those are two strong strikes against Fehr because he did do his job well in getting the best possible situation for the players, but who really got hurt was the fans. Doyel mentioned this in his posting, where he said that the fans should not have a positive opinion of Fehr because he caused prices at the ball park to sky rocket in conjunction with the players sky rocketing salaries. <br /><br />Granted, that was his job and in my mind he did his job on that end very well. From a fan's perspective that is a strike against him. Your argument is correct, I won't argue with it, but I will argue from a fan's perspective, the opinions on his tenure should be less positive based on this. The person who wrote that article Doyel was commenting on acted as if we should be thankful for him, when that may not be completely the case. He did his job well for the players but the fans got the worst end. <br /><br />I hate agreeing with him, but Gregg Doyel said it a little more abrasively for me...<br /><br />http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11884955Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-6092879328835176752009-06-24T11:36:54.205-04:002009-06-24T11:36:54.205-04:00I haven't completely formulated an opinion on ...<b> I haven't completely formulated an opinion on Fehr but salaries did sky rocket during his tenure and steroids also took over the game. I have to say those are two strong strikes against him. </b> <br /><br />I usually avoid non-football related posts, but this stood out to me. A players' union rep's goal is primarily to do whatever is best for the players. I would argue the skyrocketing salaries is a very positive mark for Fehr. Granted, it may have taken several teams out of the competitive market, but Fehr's job was not to promote fairness, it was to get the best possible situation for the players, and these salaries show he was successful.RuleBooknoreply@blogger.com