tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post923392890075862927..comments2023-10-31T06:31:41.395-04:00Comments on Bottom of the Barrel: MMQB Review: Let's Create Some Storylines EditionBengoodfellahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-81797659758932212422009-11-09T23:45:01.879-05:002009-11-09T23:45:01.879-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Thilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17439591828137103506noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-67428429227648891952009-11-09T22:26:28.090-05:002009-11-09T22:26:28.090-05:00It's a possibility that some success in the NF...It's a possibility that some success in the NFL means that Vince may care about football a little bit more. Who knows really? It's just a perception and it could be false, but perception is the reality in so many cases and it's just something he has to fight. <br /><br />I think the Browns and Mangini especially are fairly clueless. They keep trading away the talent, which isn't bad in itself, but they haven't exactly drafted extraordinarily well lately so I feel like they will waste the picks anyway. I am all for running Quinn out there but they also need to put some talent around him. I don't know what kind of success he could have, but I think they need to try. There is no point in drafting a quarterback if it is possible Quinn could be the guy and then that is one less position they have to rebuild. It's clear to me Mangini isn't the guy for that team.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-3336836003840948512009-11-09T21:44:53.351-05:002009-11-09T21:44:53.351-05:00I agree that the main problem we see with Vince is...I agree that the main problem we see with Vince is that he just doesn't seem to care about football. It's like a well paid sideline venture to him. In the mean time, they have to rebuild that receiving corps and get a couple more guys in for depth on the D. <br /><br />The Browns, they were fairly close to being a decent team a couple years ago, but have blown everything up. I don't understand Mangini at all. The team has no skill position players, the D is eh, and the O Line hasn't blown anybody off the ball all year. Why isn't Quinn starting again? REally, this and next are the years he learns to play the position unless he goes all David Carr, during which you build a team. All the Browns are doing is insure that every free agent and draft pick cringes when their agent mentions going to Cleveland. I guarantee at this point between Mangini and the front office, the ONLY reason anybody goes to the Browns is because they are being overpaid.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-6870492091993858662009-11-09T18:07:46.323-05:002009-11-09T18:07:46.323-05:00Martin, I can see that comparison and Vince Young ...Martin, I can see that comparison and Vince Young is certainly making me look stupid by winning games with the Titans. For me, my problems lie in how he doesn't seem like he cares about football and the fact he had some emotional problems last year that probably didn't endear him to his teammates...which may or may not have been his fault. <br /><br />I think more than Vince Young, Brady Quinn deserves an extended shot to quarterback an NFL team. Not that I believe he will be an All-Pro or anything, but I don't see the point of having a young QB on the bench when the team is losing anyway. I know it is the money issue, but that is a little too cheap for me in my opinion. <br /><br />Now that Kerry Collins has shown himself to be the mess we all know he is, starting Vince Young probably was the correct move, but it doesn't mean I can't make fun of him. He does have the ability to run, which sets him apart from other QB's but I just don't know about him long term. I have to agree the Titans have to stick with him this year and make Collins a well paid backup.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-87999180300760863332009-11-09T17:26:10.312-05:002009-11-09T17:26:10.312-05:00I see Vince Young in that Brady Quinn sort of terr...I see Vince Young in that Brady Quinn sort of territory. Yes the Titans have seen more of Young, but not enough to say for sure that he's a good QB or a bad one. He brings different things to the table then most, ala Mike Vick. Unfortunatly, the impression given in the rest of the country is that he isn't the most dedicated student of the game, kinda like JaMarcus.<br /><br />When the team got off to the great start, the defense was playing so well last year, and Collins was Dilfering the offense, that they couldn't put Vince in as QB, (that and he was a psychological mess allegedly). This year, the D falls apart, the offense needs to actually score points, but by the time all the factors come together, the team is already 0-4 or 0-5. I think that they probably waited a game, maybe 2, to long to put Vince in as QB, but there was such a weird perfect storm kinda thing going on, I can see why he has been delayed/set back the last couple years.<br /><br />I think the Titans need to do what the Browns need to do; play the kid QB all this year and next. Try and get some talent around him, and make things work. If it doesn't, you can go out and try this all over again.....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00086638597582394978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-57992104311840745012009-11-09T15:32:36.668-05:002009-11-09T15:32:36.668-05:00Rulebook, if you are going to use "logic"...Rulebook, if you are going to use "logic" and statistics to argue your point on this, I don't know if I can discuss this. I prefer to see Vince Young as a useless quarterback with no accuracy. I don't see as many Titans games as you do, but I do get a lot of the Titans games since they are the AFC team of choice here in North Carolina on CBS. <br /><br />I can accept the fact he deserved the 2006 Rookie of the Year award because he deserved it and we all assumed he would be able to cut down on his interceptions when as he progressed in the NFL...but that wasn't really the case for one reason or another. <br /><br />I'm not down on Vince Young, I just think he is a horrible passer. I can also accept the fact he didn't always have great receivers on the Titans team, but I would also argue I haven't ever seen him throw the most catchable balls. Sadly, I do believe he is a better quarterback than Kerry Collins. The problem with Young is that he isn't going to be the guy that everyone has hyped him up to be. Maybe I am jaded by how ugly his throwing motion tends to look, but he does offset this by being able to win with his legs. <br /><br />So maybe I am down on Vince Young, but part of that is also because I don't see him as an NFL quarterback in temperament either. He basically quit on the team last year, at least emotionally. So while I do see your point and would agree he is average, but can win games on his own, I still may make fun of him from time to time for his throwing motion.Bengoodfellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401971573776672570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-102327997051254703.post-24359849248492682782009-11-09T14:04:08.062-05:002009-11-09T14:04:08.062-05:00I'm just going to throw my two cents in with r...I'm just going to throw my two cents in with regards to Vince Young. I live in Titans country, so I get to see him every week, whereas most people (including a lot of the media) may see them 4 times in a season, so I can base my opinions on more than statistics.<br /><br />Vince Young is significantly better than people give him credit for. Now, I'm the first to say that a QB's winning record is a worthless statistic in a vacuum. However, with Young, there is some merit to this statistic (at least in his rookie season).<br /><br />In 2006, the Titans started the season 0-5 under Kerry Collins. Vince Young took over, and proceeded to finish the season 8-3, with a week 17 loss to the Patriots keeping the Titans out of the playoffs. Now most of the media people I've heard tend to say that he has only won because the Titans defense has carried him. However, in 2006, the Titans had the 32nd ranked defense (27th passing, 30th rushing), and the 31st ranked scoring defense. The truth is that Vince Young carried his defense, and he did indeed deserve the 2006 rookie of the year. I know people can point to the fact that he had 12 TDs and 13 INTs, but he also had 7 rushing TDs (which one must consider when judging Young's value).<br /><br />IN 2007, Vince Young did throw 9 TDs to 17 INTs, and I cannot argue with these being bad numbers (and he only had 3 rushing TDs that year). That season he was 9-6 as a starter, but with a top 10 defense, so they may have carried him that season.<br /><br />Last season, he only started one game, and he was pulled because of injury, so we can't use that season as judgment.<br /><br />He's also had to deal with no receivers. The only decent receiver he's really ever had was Drew Bennett, and that was only in the 2006 season. I mention this, because I have never seen a QB throw so many dropped balls as I have with Vince Young. I remember being completely baffled that 2007 season by the sheer frequency of times I saw easy catches hit the ground. People who don't get to see the games, which is most of the country since Nashville is such a small market, don't get to see the effect of awful WRs.<br /><br />In summary, Vince Young is certainly not a great QB. However, he is not this awful passer that people claim. He is average. However, unlike many average QBs, he is capable of winning a game single-handedly. He has put together two solid games, which for the Titans is all they need, and has only made one clear mistake.<br /><br />I guess the best way to summarize my impressions of Vince Young is that he is underrated, but he is the worst of the underrated starting QBs. I think that makes sense.RuleBooknoreply@blogger.com