I used to read Bill Simmons' columns about 10 years ago every time one got posted on ESPN.com. What has happened since then? Well part of the reason is Bill Simmons has become a first-rate starfucker. He is all about dropping the names of celebrities and athletes he has interacted with in any fashion. His writing ability aside, it's pretty unbearable to read him name-dropping how he watched a basketball game with Jalen Rose and Chuck Klosterman or trying to drop some "inside knowledge" he heard about an NBA team or player from one of the many people Bill has leeched on to through his employment with ESPN. For his Week 14 picks Bill decided to write a loooooooooong, rambling column about Kobe Bryant based on a conversation that he had with Bill Russell.
The entire point of the column appears to be that Kobe Bryant isn't Bill Russell and doesn't care if he is Bill Russell. It's hard to read this column believing Bill isn't being somewhat critical of Bryant considering the Boston Sports Guy hates the Lakers and Kobe Bryant specifically. Bill's "6 for 24" comments about the 2010 NBA Finals got old after the first or second time Bill mentioned this statistic. It's interesting how Bill frames the discussion of Kobe Bryant being a leader as compared to how he frames other NBA players as leaders. He always tends to frame Kobe being a leader from a purely selfish point of view, while framing other players (specifically Bill Russell) as a leader, because gosh darn it, he just wants his fellow teammates to do well. I'm not a Kobe defender, but it's like Bill has never heard of different methods of leadership...which we learn from a conversation Bill had with Bill Walton actually ends up being true. Bill assumed the correct way of being a leader was the Bill Russell method.
I spent five hours with Bill Russell last week and thought of Kobe Bryant twice and only twice.
This leads me to the question...how many times in a day does Bill Simmons think about Kobe Bryant? More than twice? Ten times? Every minute of the day? Thinking about Kobe Bryant in a day more than twice is cause for concern.
I accidentally watched 30 seconds of the ESPN halftime show on Friday and heard Bill Simmons plug this article. He's like a one-man marketing machine for his bullshit.
One time, we were discussing a revelation from Russell's extraordinary biography, Second Wind, that Russell scouted the Celtics after joining them in 1956.
He scouted them? Did he call them on their phone as well and then go visit their house too?
Why would you scout your own teammates? What does that even mean?
Russell wanted to play to their strengths and cover their weaknesses,
which you can't do without figuring out exactly what those strengths and
weaknesses were. So he studied them. He studied them during practices,
shooting drills, scrimmages, even those rare moments when Red Auerbach
rested him during games.
I'm a big Bill Russell fan, but I'm guessing he wasn't the only professional athlete to scout and study what his teammates did well or poorly during games and practice. Through this whole article we will read Bill "fancy up" what Russell did as an NBA player in an effort to make Russell seem more unique than he already is. I don't know what passed for common sense in the NBA fifty years ago, but this seems like common sense. An athlete figures out his teammates strengths and weaknesses during practice and games, regardless of whether he knows he is doing it or not.
He built a mental filing cabinet that stored everything they could and
couldn't do, then determined how to boost them accordingly.
This is a fancy way of Bill Russell remembered his teammates strengths and weaknesses and then figured out how to help them improve.
It was HIS job to make THEM better. That's what he believed.
Bill writes his columns like a junior high-educated person writes an angry email. He italicizes random words and then capitalizes words constantly in order to provide emphasis. I capitalize certain words on occasion, but Bill does this constantly. His writing reminds me of an angry email I will get at work from a disgruntled person who doesn't know exactly why he/she is angry, but knows capitalizing as many words as possible is the best way to convey this anger.
So when Russell mentioned a current star devouring his book and
stealing that specific concept — then thanking Russell for the help —
naturally, I expected the player to be LeBron James, Chris Paul, Steve
Nash, maybe even Kevin Durant. Nope.
Kobe Bryant.
"Really?" I said incredulously.
"This doesn't match my previously held belief based solely on my biased opinion on how I want Kobe Bryant to act. I must find a way to immediately dismiss this information or show how Kobe Bryant isn't in any way like Bill Russell. Reality is secondary to my preconceived notions."
Which didn't make sense to me. After all, Kobe regards his teammates the same way President Obama regards the Secret Service — these guys are here to serve and protect ME. Why would he need to scout them? What was I missing?
What you are missing is that Kobe Bryant is like this, but he also has a history of including his teammates or deferring if it makes the team better. Kobe's ego got in the way of his split with Shaq, but the bigger point is that Kobe was in the right to want to be "the guy" for the Lakers. The Lakers were right to choose to build around Kobe and trade Shaq when there were issues. Bill has preconceived notions about Kobe, and yes Kobe can be a dick, but he also is astutely aware of what makes the Lakers a better team and will embrace that when necessary.
I hate the Lakers. I've hated the Lakers for as long as I can remember. James Worthy went to my high school and I couldn't stand to see his jersey number on the wall of the gym. I don't like Magic Johnson either...because he played for the Lakers and for no other reason. In all of my hatred, I can also realize the truth. My blind disgust for the Lakers can't override the truth and make me look like a homer-ish dickweed. Kobe is an asshole, but he also wants to win games, and knows he has to make his teammates better to do that. Maybe Kobe doesn't have the same leadership style Bill Russell does, but he pushes his teammates for a reason, to make them better.
Later in the day, we were discussing leadership and Russell revealed
that he never criticized a teammate publicly or privately. Not once. Not
during his entire 13-year career. What was the point? Everyone already
knew Russell was their best player — why undermine their confidence by
making them doubt themselves, or even worse, making them wonder if he
believed in them? How was that productive?
I don't know, but different players have different leadership abilities and styles. As a counter to this argument, if a little criticism from Kobe Bryant is going to ruin one of his teammate's confidence or make the player doubt himself then how is that player going to react in a crucial playoff game when he starts off 1-8 from the field with two fouls in the first quarter? If criticism from Kobe destroys the player's confidence, what will public failure in a nationally televised game due to that player's confidence?
Russell believed, and still believes, that a basketball team only
achieves its potential if everyone embraces their roles — you figure out
what you have, split the responsibilities and you're off.
Everyone believes this. Russell could have been the first to think of this idea, but nearly every championship team has players who embrace their roles. Robert Horry wasn't trying to score 30 points in a game and Derek Fisher didn't start launching three point shots out of an isolation play. Again, Bill is trying to "fancy up" Russell's words to make him seem like the only one who believes this. Part of the reason the Miami Heat won the 2012 NBA Title is they found guys like Shane Battier, Mike Miller and James Jones who found their role, while LeBron embraced his role as the alpha dog and Wade accepted the secondary alpha dog role. Great teams find players who can embrace a role.
But that would have failed unless everyone embraced their role, and that's the thing — everyone has to have a role.
Holy shit, we know this already.
I'm not dismissing Bill Russell or his book. His legacy stands for itself without further comment, but Bill Simmons is quickly becoming the master of stating the obvious and coating the obvious in terms where it doesn't seem so obvious. Whether it is criticizing the NFL commissioner for concussions over a year after this issue arises or making it seem like the idea a championship team needs role players to know their role is a new idea, it's all been done and stated before, so don't make it seem like it hasn't.
So it was the "everything else" that varied from season to season, or
even month to month — Russell assessed what his team needed and tailored
his game accordingly. That's what made him Bill Russell.
Star players tend to do this. Tim Duncan recognizes that Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili like to drive in the lane and so he has developed a jump shot to prevent the lane from being clogged and become a threat outside the paint. Kevin Garnett knows Rajon Rondo likes the ball immediately after it is rebounded (okay, I can't read Rondo's mind but I know he calls for the ball quickly after it is rebounded),so he gets the ball to Rondo as soon as possible. Russell may have invented it, but he isn't the only one who did it.
Russell's book covers one example with an enlightening section on Sam
Jones, one of the league's first great scoring guards but someone who
feared the responsibility of being great every night. Sam couldn't
handle the pressure; the burden was too big, like having the same term
paper hanging over your head 100 times per year.
So Sam Jones couldn't handle the pressure of being great every night...
But he also happened to be a phenomenally gifted offensive player,
someone who loved taking and making pressure shots. Sam's laconic
demeanor worked against him being a legendary player, but for big
moments? It was perfect.
But apparently he could handle the pressure of being great in certain situations. Russell understood this. Good for him. This is much like Kobe understood Robert Horry wasn't going to drop 20 points on a nightly basis, but would hit a big shot if given the opportunity. Kobe doesn't get credit for understanding this. Bill doesn't give Kobe credit for recognizing Derek Fisher can't be a leading scorer, but can be counted on to hit a big three-point shot.
Bill Russell left Sam Jones alone.
Yes, but happens when it is a team's second best player (Gasol), a player that team requires to play well to win an NBA Title isn't playing very well? What happens when the new center on the team can't hit his free throws and doesn't show the same passion for winning that Kobe does? The Celtics team could win without Sam Jones handling great responsibility, but if Gasol doesn't play well then the Lakers can't compete. Please understand the difference.
Russell told the other story in Seattle last week, after I asked him how
the aging Celtics won their last two titles without a real point guard.
They didn't run the triangle offense like MJ's Bulls or Shaq's Lakers …
so how?
They had a team loaded with Hall of Fame players surrounding Bill Russell? I know Bill Simmons goes to great lengths to refute this point in his "Basketball" book, but the bottom line is the Celtics always surrounded Russell with talented players. It doesn't take anything away from Russell, but it must be acknowledged.
Russell heard that chant ringing in his ears all summer. After winning
eight straight titles, he wasn't ready to be buried as a basketball
player yet. He also wasn't ready to blow up his team. So he asked
Siegfried to replace K.C. Jones.
Siegfried resisted. He wasn't a point guard. He didn't want the added
responsibility, nor did he want to chase faster players around. Russell
gently insisted. No, thanks, Larry Siegfried said. They had reached something of a stalemate. The modern solution would be dealing Siegfried away,
What? The modern solution would be for the Celtics to trade away the only guy on the roster who could play point guard? How is this a solution? The Celtics would then potentially have zero players who could bring the ball up the court.
Spoiler alert: This really isn't the modern solution, but Bill is creating this straw man in an effort to show just how different the Celtics and Russell were from Kobe Bryant and the Lakers.
but the Celtics never traded back then — they believed continuity was
their single biggest advantage other than Russell. During Russell's
entire playing career, the Celtics only swung one real trade in 13
years: Mel Counts for Bailey Howell.
Again, it makes it easy not to make trades when you are consistently winning NBA Titles with the players on your roster and those players are named Bob Cousy, Tommy Heinsohn, Bill Sharman, Sam Jones, John Havlicek, K.C. Jones, and Satch Sanders. It also helped there was no salary cap in the NBA at the time.
He didn't threaten him or anything, just laid out the landscape. We have me, Havlicek, Sam and Bailey (Howell). All four of us need to play. This is your best way to get minutes, Larry. He kept appealing to him as a friend more than anything.
And of course Bill knows that Bill Russell appealed as a friend because Bill was there when Bill Russell appealed to Larry Siegfried or he knows this based on Russell's account of how he appealed to Siegfried? Since Russell doesn't want to make it seem like he was a pushy leader, I wonder if Siegfried thinks Russell wasn't pushy and appealing to him as a friend? Isn't it possible Russell's account may not be 100% reliable or Siegfried felt threatened but didn't say anything about it?
As Russell was telling the Siegfried story, I couldn't help but wonder
how Kobe would have handled that situation. Would he have cussed him
out? Bullied him? Called him out to a reporter? Pushed behind the scenes
for the Lakers to dump him? And how would an obviously stubborn guy
like Siegfried have handled Kobe's reaction? My guess: Siegfried would
have pushed back … and if he pushed back, he probably wouldn't have been
a Laker for too long.
What a scenario that Bill has presented to us based purely on conjecture and speculation. Not shockingly, the conclusion Bill reaches matches up with the point Bill wants to prove. What a coincidence! Bill's speculation matches his assumptions!
Let's at least agree that Kobe wouldn't have handled things like Bill Russell did.
Let's also agree this is speculation and Bill Russell played in a time before the 24/7 sports media could blow this disagreement between Siegfried and Russell into a bigger issue.
Of the 14 greatest players of all time, only Wilt and Kobe needed
10,000-word footnotes to cover "the other stuff." That list currently
looks like this: Jordan, then Russell, then Kareem, then Magic/Bird,
then Wilt, then Kobe/Duncan (or Duncan/Kobe), then West/Oscar, then
Hakeem/Shaq/Moses. With LeBron lurking in there somewhere. We just don't
know where yet.
Yes, "we" don't know where yet, but Bill will be sure to notify "us" when "we" know where LeBron fits in.
You would have loved playing with nine of those guys. The other five? Maybe, maybe not.
Oh, would I have enjoyed playing with nine of those guys? I didn't know that about myself. Thanks for telling me what I do or don't like because being the fucktard I am, I have no clue what I do or don't believe to be true.
Of course, Oscar was a picnic compared to Jordan, who evolved into a
withering, homicidally competitive bully; if you couldn't handle it, you
needed to find another team. And Kobe tried to evolve into a
withering, homicidally competitive bully, if only because his idol acted
that way once upon a time. Eventually, that's what he became. For
better and worse.
How about Larry Bird, who was famously competitive and would belittle and ride Kevin McHale during games and practice? I'm sure from Bill Simmons' point of view Bird was just trying to make McHale better, while Kobe is a homicidal bully. What about Larry Bird calling out his teammate Cedric Maxwell for being out of shape after coming back from an injury and said he didn't bring his best every night? I guess that doesn't count either.
Oscar, Hakeem, Shaq and Moses kept playing until nobody wanted them
anymore. Jordan left at the perfect time, missed the attention and
(unfortunately) came back. Only Russell nailed his exit. I have a
feeling Duncan will do the same. But Kobe? Your guess is as good as
mine.
Don't you love how this conversation with Bill Russell has immediately turned into an assessment of Kobe Bryant's leadership abilities? This happened simply because Russell dared to mention Kobe stole a concept from Russell's book to Bill Simmons.
Also, Kobe claims he will retire at age 40, but plans to play for the Lakers for two more seasons. Based on that information readily available through a Google search, it appears my guess is actually better than Bill's.
Many NBA observers believe Kobe will handle his inevitable decline
poorly, maybe even more poorly than Jordan's last two Wizards seasons.
This is what is known as "not really reporting" since it is based on pure speculation. Many NBA observers think a lot of things. They "think" them because they are unable to accurately predict the future to say they "know" these things. With a grain of salt is how I take this information.
That's the reason Phil Jackson retired two years ago: He even admitted as much during our lunch together, saying that he didn't want to be coaching Kobe Bryant when Kobe wasn't Kobe anymore.
Bill Simmons went to lunch with Phil Jackson. He doesn't name-drop or anything, he just wants you to know he went to lunch with Phil Jackson. Just ask Jalen Rose or Chuck Klosterman about it they saw them, in fact if you ask Gus Johnson, who Bill just finished having coffee with before meeting Phil Jackson for lunch, he could confirm this as well. There's no word on what Jimmy Kimmel knows and when he knew it.
His defenders maintain that Kobe hasn't been this efficient offensively
in years, that you can't blame him for Dwight's back, Nash's leg, Mike
Brown's brain and the cast of nobodies on his bench.
His defenders would have a point in regard to everything except when discussing Kobe's own offensive efficiency.
His detractors believe it's been like watching Kobe Karaoke: As soon as
things threatened to go south, Kobe started pushing for a new coach,
blasting teammates and hogging the ball in close games. He's the most
polarizing superstar since Wilt for a reason.
Because the most popular columnist at ESPN, the founder of Grantland, and the host of ESPN's pregame NBA show continues to write columns about how polarizing Kobe Bryant is?
We know what's driving him: Kobe wants seven rings (one more than
Jordan); he wants to be remembered as the greatest Laker of all time; he
wants to at least be mentioned with Jordan; and he understands
the sheer power of numbers better than anyone. You can pick apart his
top-five candidacy pretty easily.
To be fair, outside of Michael Jordan you could pick apart a lot of players top-five candidacy pretty well.
He was the second-best player on three of those five title teams (not the best).
He was also playing on the same team as one of the best centers of all-time in his prime and was 21-23 years old when he played on those Lakers teams. Excuse him if he was only the second best player on the team. Not to mention, the fact Bryant was able to defer to Shaq could be used by a less biased observer as proof of what a great teammate Bryant showed himself to be at certain points in his career.
He never held the "Best Player Alive" belt as emphatically as Jordan did,
Yes he did. I only say "yes he did" because this is one of Bill Simmons' typically unprovable statements that he tries to pass off as a fact. Bill is great at contriving titles for a player/team (Bill is all about how a team "defends" a title or how a player "defends" an individual award) and then criticizing that player/team for not meeting Bill's own standard for defending these titles.
And unlike Bird, Magic and Michael, his team seriously considered trading him one time (in 2007).
This is completely irrelevant. Part of the reason Kobe almost got traded was because he had sort-of demanded a trade.
Then Bill starts listing statistics which show Kobe Bryant isn't as good as Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan. Of course this isn't a direct comparison since Magic was a different kind of player from Kobe Bryant. Plus, Magic was a fantastic passer, but it benefited him there were Hall of Famers like James Worthy and Kareem catching those passes. It doesn't take anything away from Magic of course.
Like Kobe today, Kareem and Malone were maniacal about taking care of
themselves (Kareem with yoga, Malone with weights), but Kobe's era has
offered decided advantages in conditioning, dieting, workout equipment,
stretching routines, surgical techniques and even goofier advantages
like napping (and the science behind it), sneakers (much better today)
and the Internet (and the ability to study opponents on sites like
Synergy). If ever an NBA player could play for a quarter of a century,
and thrive for at least two solid decades, it's Kobe Bean Bryant.
I like the sort-of backhanded compliment here. Bill states Kobe has certain advantages that make him better able to take care of himself and study his opponent without mentioning Kobe's opponents have these same advantages. NBA players are much better athletes now than they were in Kareem and Karl Malone's prime, plus every single advantage Kobe has access to Kobe's opponents also have access to as well. This is a factoid that Bill leaves out (accidentally or on-purpose) to make it seem like Kobe has an advantage now that other current NBA players don't have which sufficiently explains why he is thrives while still being durable.
And that's what makes "the other stuff" so frustrating. Nothing that
happened this season has been surprising because it's happened, in
various forms, during so many other Laker seasons.
What an absolute lie. Bill isn't surprised by what has happened this year? Then how come he wrote the NBA should basically hand a 17th title to the Lakers after the Howard trade occurred?
It seems Bill was quite worried when he wrote an entire column saying the NBA's balance of power had completely shifted to the Lakers. How can Bill and his Simmonsites explain Bill's supposed non-surprise at how the Lakers season turned out when Bill repeatedly stated this past summer that the Lakers were going to probably get a 17th NBA Title? It must be very disappointing for Simmonsites to learn their idol is full of shit. Of course if they had been paying attention rather than worshiping at his altar they would already know this.
He's only been successfully coached by one person … the man who happens to be the greatest NBA coach ever.
Much like Gregg Easterbrook, Bill leaves out important details. Tim Duncan has been successfully coached by one person and Michael Jordan was only successfully coached by one person. Does this mean they aren't great NBA players? Of course not.
His second-best teammate (Gasol) looks totally broken, just a head case,
a totally different player from the one who single-handedly almost
vanquished our Olympic team five months ago.
Bill is conveniently leaving out exactly why Gasol is broken and how Gasol's performance is making seem more broken than he may be. Gasol is broken partially because he isn't playing well. Let's not forget Gasol needs to play well for the Lakers to win an NBA Title. Naturally, Bill doesn't acknowledge Gasol isn't playing well and this is partially what is causing him to be a head case. He doesn't acknowledge this because he wants us to believe Gasol's poor performance is all Kobe Bryant's fault. That's what Bill will have you believe.
His third-best teammate (Andrew Bynum) got shipped to Philly and traded shots with Kobe on his way out.
What's Bynum doing now, Bill? Bill neglects to mention Bynum's performance in Philadelphia or bring up the idea perhaps Kobe constantly riding Bynum to be a better player actually made him a better player. To acknowledge this would be too unbiased and less deceptive. Bill can only give Kobe back-handed compliments and blame him for not making his teammates better, while ignoring times when Kobe did make his teammates better.
It's just a different way to lead a basketball team: through fear, through conflict, through bullying, through the media.
Well, he did partially learn how to do this from Michael Jordan. If this article is about Kobe Bryant being a bad leader it could just as easily be about Michael Jordan being a bad leader. Of course if Bill wrote a column about Michael Jordan being a bad leader he would get laughed at.
From what I heard,
Sources everyone! Bill has sources! I wonder if Jacoby told Little Mike (I don't know the names of Bill's friends and family, so I apologize to Simmonsites for getting the names wrong) who relayed a text message about this to Bill who confirmed it with Magic and Jalen Rose?
Kobe already played the "You don't know anything about winning
championships!" card with Howard — during a scrimmage last week, when
the second team beat the first team partly because Howard checked out
(he wasn't getting the ball enough), followed by Kobe blistering him.
Has Bill thought that perhaps Howard deserved this? The second team of the current Lakers team should never beat the first team. If Howard is checking out perhaps he deserves to be reminded he doesn't have any championships. Of course Bill doesn't mention this. We all know if Kevin McHale checked out during practice that Larry Bird would pat him on the ass and tell him not to worry about it.
That same week, Kobe needled Gasol publicly for not sucking it up with
knee tendinitis, saying he needed to "put your big boy pants." The whole
thing is strange. Really, really weird to watch. Especially for
me, just one week after hearing the greatest winner in basketball
history say that he never criticized a teammate — not once.
Bill Russell says this. It doesn't mean it is true. For some reason Bill is taking Russell's first hand accounts from 40-50 years ago very, very seriously, even when Russell admitted to Bill he used to be able to remember details of games from that time he can no longer remember. So maybe Russell did criticize a teammate and just forgot he did it.
When we were preparing for our NBA Countdown show on Wednesday afternoon, I told Magic that Russell/teammates story if only because I knew he'd appreciate it.
This is your reminder that Bill works with Magic Johnson. Starfucker, starfucker, starfucker, starfucker, star.
This was like hearing a story about working the crowd from Bruce Springsteen and then passing it along to Mick Jagger.
Another not-so-gentle reminder from Bill that he knows famous athletes if his ceaseless name-dropping wasn't indication enough.
We started discussing the various ways to lead a basketball team. Magic
settled on four, believing you could lead by example, by intimidation,
by being a communicator (talking all the time, like Magic did) or by
some combination of all three, or even two of the three. He didn't
believe there was a right way or a wrong way.
I'm glad it takes Magic Johnson, the same guy who barely can get a sentence out in complete English when on television, to explain to Bill there is more than one way to be a leader. I always thought this was somewhat common sense.
We've never asked Kobe for his feelings on leadership because we know the answer — he posted his thoughts on Facebook during the bizarre Smush Parker embroglio.
Bill's thoughts are in bold and Kobe's post is in bold parenthesis.
There comes a point when one must make a decision. Are YOU willing to
do what it takes to push the right buttons to elevate those around you?
If the answer is YES, are you willing to push the right buttons even if
it means being perceived as the villain?
This is what I am talking about with the excessive capitalized words. Don't the capitalized words make Kobe seem a bit unhinged? That's how Bill Simmons writes and he is probably proud of it.
Here's where the true responsibility of being a leader lies.
Sometimes you must prioritize the success of the team ahead of how your
own image is perceived.
(I'd be more prone to believe this if Kobe didn't spend so much time
obsessing over how his image was perceived — he's the same guy who
nicknamed himself "Mamba" and changed his number.
Every NBA player cares how his image is perceived. Michael Jordan is famous for stating "Republicans vote too" when asked why he doesn't get involved politically. This is a somewhat irrelevant point and stating Kobe cares about his image is only disguising the fact every NBA player cares about his image.
It's pushing them to find their inner beast, even if they end up resenting you for it at the time.
(I think that's the most fascinating thing Kobe Bryant has ever said.
Seriously. He just explained everything. I don't even think he was
exaggerating or writing those words for effect. It might be as simple as
"Every time I lay into Gasol or Howard, it's because I am pushing them
to find their inner beast, and I don't give a shit if they resent me for
it." Does he feel like Gasol responded so beautifully in Game 7 of the
2010 Finals — 19 points, 18 rebounds, nine offensive boards — partly
because Kobe pushed him to embrace whatever an "inner beast" is called
in Spanish? Why do I feel like he does?)
Because it is very possible Gasol responded to Kobe laying into him. This is a coaching method that some people use to get the very best out of a player. I realize Kobe isn't a coach, but coaches push their players and realize they may end up being resented for doing so. Coaches push their players and one teammate will push another teammate in an effort to get the absolute best out of that person.
I'd rather be perceived as a winner than a good teammate.
(WHOA! GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY! Are you reading this????)
I am sure Michael Jordan believes the same thing. Again, this isn't unheard of.
Then Bill name-drops Bill Walton and reminds us he interviewed Bill Walton for his "Basketball" book.
Walton believed that I didn't like watching Kobe that much because he didn't play basketball the way I liked to see basketball played. That was my choice, just like it was Kobe's choice to play that way.
Bill Simmons, the Boston Sports Guy, just doesn't like Kobe Bryant and that is fine. Don't pretend you are judging him neutrally when you aren't though. Part of being the "Boston Sports Guy," means he hates the Lakers.
So, if the coach isn't working? He needs to go. If the new center isn't
trying hard enough? He needs to try harder, or else. If the old center
can't snap out of this crazy funk? Then he needs to put on his big-boy
pants and suck it up. Kobe Bryant would rather be perceived as a winner
than a good teammate. Kobe Bryant figured out what leadership style
suited him best.
Exactly and if it isn't Bill Russell's leadership style then that doesn't mean it won't work. Of course Bill thinks the entire world revolves around Boston sports so he naturally thinks only leadership styles like Bill Belichick's, Bill Russell's and ubuntu are effective. This is what happens when you have tunnel vision.
This column has been updated.
Translation? There were incorrect facts but Bill won't let the editors mention which one in order to give the illusion he isn't ever wrong. Much like Kobe, he's gotta an ego to serve.
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Monday, January 7, 2013
Friday, April 3, 2009
13 comments Kyle Orton - Leader of Men
Dude, you have to check this out, Clark Judge - it's like a wrongness world record attempt
If Bears live, die by run, why did they get Cutler?
...because he's like...a top ten* quarterback.
This is my take on the Chicago Bears deal for Jay Cutler: They were better off with Kyle Orton.
You heard me.
"you heard me"...ah, the mating call of the obnoxious moron.
Orton can't throw the ball as far or as straight as Cutler, and you won't find anyone drooling over the velocity of his passes. But he has something Cutler does not
a dinosaur.
and that's a high score in the leadership department
998,101, one summer in Louisville, it was awesome. I remember it like it was yesterday, we were all eating pizza, getting stoned and watching Russ Meyer films and Kyle is like "dude, I'm totally acing this game of "The Leadership Department" and we were all gathered around like, glued, fucking GLUED man. And Gonzo is like "more like weinership department". Classic. Anyway, top that Steve Wiebe!
and, sorry, but I'll take that over physical ability any day.
ah, the Eckstein clause of sports debating. You sly dog.
As a rookie, he led the Bears to a 10-4 record -- including an eight-game winning streak -- before Rex Grossman returned. A year ago, he was back as a starter and was there for critical late-season overtime defeats of New Orleans and Green Bay. OK, so the Bears didn't make the playoffs but don't blame Orton. Blame Chicago's 21st-ranked defense, a unit that blew three 10-point leads and self-immolated in a last-second loss to Atlanta.
ugh, I promised myself I wouldn't look up stats for an NFL article in April, but here I am. Fine. Let's take a look at these four defeats.
@Carolina, the Bears had a 17-3 lead with 5:24 remaining in the third, and lost 17-20. Orton's performance? A scintillating 19/32 for 149 yards. Oh boy, wave the towel's he's smoking. I do confess he didn't throw an INT, but no TD either, a better quarterback definately could have staved off this loss.
@Atlanta, what Judge doesn't tell you here, is that the Bears looked TOAST here, were down 10-19 with just over four minutes left. They then had a bad onside kick situation happen to lose 20-22. Orton was fine here, 26/43 for 286 yards and a TD, this is a push, but it's not a "lost victory" at all as much as a crazy game.
As for those two other games? Chicago won them...so, yeah. Let's look at the other losses, one Grossman started, so that gets thrown out.
4 games, 68/126 (54.0%), 798 yards (199.5pg), 7TD, 5INT...and only one of those games was to a playoff team. You ask me, that's a below average QB. You wanna know how many games all season Cutler threw for less than Orton averaged in these games? THREE.
At the NFL winter meetings last month, Chicago coach Lovie Smith said the Bears were a running team that had to play good defense, and no one disagreed. So what's a running team doing acquiring a quarterback who can throw the ball the length of Michigan Avenue? You tell me, because I think the Bears were better off with Orton.
aside from that being retarded, the Bears missed the playoffs last year, so like...how are they "better off". You concede Cutler is more talented right? So how could this be such a horrible move, how could they be better off with Orton, who couldn't get them even to the playoffs? Surely it's worth a try, a more talented player, really if you're honest, light years more talented, to make this team a playoff contender? What's wrong with being good at passing AND running? What is possibly bad about getting better at an aspect of playing football? Maybe that isn't "aside", maybe it's just retarded.
He fit their personality.
their personality of losing football games. Great. They wanna CHANGE the personality, so the teams results change, because they weren't good. Understand? No? OK; too much, too soon.
He wasn't flashy, but he was effective before suffering an ankle injury. He was tough. He was gritty. And he won. Look it up: His record as a starter is 21–12, not bad for someone whom critics portray as the NFL's version of the Venus De Milo. Cutler is 17-20, never made the playoffs and never had a winning season.
so let's get this straight. When the defense is poor, and Orton loses, it's not his fault, but when it's great and he wins, he's awesome. Pick a side, you can't have the cake and eat it too. Plus, didn't you just say the defense was bad? Right? So, I guess that means another aspect of the team needs to be good to make up for that right? Right?
So the Bears trade away Orton and three draft picks and, sorry, Chicago, your team just got fleeced. You need offensive linemen. You need receivers. You need a defense that must play better. Yet you just traded away the first round for a couple of years for a guy who throws a pretty pass and can't play .500 football in the AFC West.
I find this truly incredible. The whole wave of anti-sportswriting blog stuff has been to mock the excessive QB love. The whole neglecting the other positions on the field, easy way out, lazy, slap dash approach to football analysis has somehow culminated in this. It's turned back on itself and we have someone suggesting that the QB is essentially the least important position on the field, and that is absurd. Look, if you want to paint this as an ill-begotten attempt to cash in on a half baked team way too early, trading their future for the now when they aren't that good, be my guest, but the team is immediately and markedly better right now, very probably a playoff team IMO, that was clearly their goal, they are likely to succeed.
Tell me Chicago knows what it's doing.
you can debate the goal, say it's sacrificing some long term goal, fine, but for the goals they want to achieve, yes, I will take the Clark Judge Challenge - Chicago knows what it's doing.
Smith had it right when he said you win in Chicago by running the ball and playing solid defense. The 1985 Bears had Walter Payton, a lights-out defense and Jim McMahon at quarterback. McMahon was tough, gritty and capable of big plays when you needed them, but he was hardly the second coming of Sid Luckman. He was perfect for that team because he epitomized its personality -- which was tough, gritty -- yeah, I think you get the idea.
Anyway, the Bears have to be that way because when it's November and December on Lake Shore Drive you don't win by having Jay Cutler throw the ball into 40 mph winds.
Farve, Brett. And before you shreik in disgust at my blasphemous suggestion, fuck it, maybe he can be that good. Why not? No one knows for sure and he's goddamn talented, I know that.
You win by running, locking down your opponents and avoiding mistakes. Anyone have any idea how many interceptions Cutler launched last year? I do. It was 18, and only Brett Favre had more.
even you, Judge, make that comparison, in a contrived, convaluted, Jimmy distorting your entire argument kind of way.
Then there's the matter of what Chicago gave up -- two first-rounders, a third-rounder and Orton. Are you kidding me? So Cutler was a Pro Bowl quarterback. Big deal.
well yeah I agree, it is a big deal. Oh wait, you're being sarcastic. Let me try! Sure, Tom Brady has two Superbowl MVP's, 4 Pro Bowls and three time Superbowl champions, BIG DEAL. Cutler is a tremendous talent who is still only 25. His QB rating is 87.1 already. McNabb's is 85.9 and nine years older. Matt Hasselbeck? 84.5 and 10 years. Eli Manning? 86.4 and three years. This guy is for real and he's damn good. Oh, and for reference sake? Orton is 79.6 and three years. That's a pretty marked fucking difference if you ask me. Maybe not 2 1sts and a 3rd, but maybe. I'm terrible at assessing draft picks in the NFL, but I will say, he's MUCH, MUCH better.
DeAngelo Williams wasn't elected to the team, which should tell you about the credibility of the honor.
we're not talking about D'Angelo Williams...stay focused Clark.
won't argue that Cutler is one of the most talented quarterbacks in today's game
well I mean, apart from today, where I am spending several hundred words to this exact effect.
but I also won't argue that he's one of the most spoiled prima donnas, either.
All you need to know about this guy is that he once said he had "a stronger arm that John [Elway], hands down" and that "he'd bet on it against anybody's in the league" -- as if that somehow measured his greatness. First of all, I don't know that he has a stronger arm than Elway. I don't know that anyone does.
so you don't know, Cutler does. And hey, fuck it, is this such a terrible fucking thing? He has confidence, he's even a bit of a dick, awesome. His role is to win games, fuck up the other team, show bravado down by five with a minute and a half off the clock and fuck your girlfriend. These are the time honoured attributes of the successful quarterback, and confidence, even arrogance, even being a dickness, might not only be acceptable, but a necessary condition.
Second, Elway made a name for himself not with his arm but with wins and fourth-quarter comebacks. In his second year, Elway went 13-3 and won the AFC West. In his third year, he was 11-5. And in his fourth, he was in the Super Bowl. That's how you measure quarterbacks, Cutler, not by arm strength.
yeah, but the quote's about arm strength, not about quarterbacking in general. So, maybe he's right, as you said, you have no real opinion on the issue. Reading comprehension is fundamental for a journalist.
Third, let's say you buy into Cutler as a franchise quarterback. OK, fine. So where's his franchise wide receiver? Devin Hester? Please. Earl Bennett? You've got to be kidding. There isn't one.
you're absolutely right. My God, you're right. EVERYBODY, NO FOOTBALL IN CHICAGO EVER! There's no point improving the team at all, because other areas won't be great. It's a sad day, but Clark Judge has opened our eyes and unshackled us from our blissful ignorance, it's hopeless. Black, everywhere black, as night!
I imagine they'll find them anyway
false alarm! FOOTBALL IS BACK ON!
but they just mortgaged the future for a quarterback who, when faced with winning only one of his last three starts last season, couldn't close the deal.
setting aside the fact that every Orton failure is someone else's fault and every victory is a resounding triumph of his winning-leadershipness in your Universe and Cutler can do no right, isn't it possible that this was an embarrassing hiccup from an inexperienced quarterback that he could learn from, vow never to repeat? Surely that limitless pride you referred to before would have taken a hit, he'd have taken this to heart and be determined to prove something to everybody. *shakes fist* Prove to everybody! Anyway, isn't this HOW quarterbacks learn and become leaders and have steel for bones, ice for veins and a silly hat with a a propeller on it with "LEADER" written on the front?
Now he's going to magically transform the Bears into a division champion all over again when he couldn't do it with Mike Shanahan in the AFC West?
I dunno...maybe. I don't think he'll use magic as much as propelling the ball forward using his biomechanics and the laws of physics. But sure, why not? Those 10-6 Minnesota Vikings looking a bit imposing for you Judge? That massive 1.0 game canyon too much to cross? Give me a break, this article couldn't get more ridiculous if...
There's a better chance of Terrell Owens serving as grand marshal at the next Mummers Parade.
ding!
And who's going to protect Cutler's back? Chris Williams? He can't protect his own back. I know the Bears think he'll be OK, but that's what they said when they drafted him, and look how much he started last year. He didn't. Orlando Pace? St. Louis was only too glad to let him walk, and the Rams’ offensive line was horrible last season.
well at least try to improve the passing game, and part of the improvement is the QB right? I mean look at Romo or Roethlisberger, Romo's line is good, Ben's is not, but both use mobility to make themselves tough targets in the pocket. Who's to say Cutler can't do this. That's one point. Secondly, while I am pretty sceptical of Pace (and this is from the poor bastard who keeps picking the Rams), he's still a HoF tackle, it's not like LUDICROUS to suggest he could help is it? My point is, Cutler is better than Orton, by extension, the Bears too will be better, much of this other stuff is just conjecture, you can make an argument either way, fine. So why are you being such a, for lack of a better word, dick, about this? Why not just admit you just don't know? And of course, the existence of the site is why, you want a "story" instead of writing intelligently about sports.
*Quick check
Tier 1 - Brady, P.Manning
Tier 2 - Brees, Warner
Tier 3 - Romo, McNabb, E.Manning, Roethlisberger, Palmer
Tier 4 - Cutler, Hasselbeck, Rivers, Ryan
Tier 5 - Schaub, Delhomme
I hereby call my claim defensible
If Bears live, die by run, why did they get Cutler?
...because he's like...a top ten* quarterback.
This is my take on the Chicago Bears deal for Jay Cutler: They were better off with Kyle Orton.
You heard me.
"you heard me"...ah, the mating call of the obnoxious moron.
Orton can't throw the ball as far or as straight as Cutler, and you won't find anyone drooling over the velocity of his passes. But he has something Cutler does not
a dinosaur.
and that's a high score in the leadership department
998,101, one summer in Louisville, it was awesome. I remember it like it was yesterday, we were all eating pizza, getting stoned and watching Russ Meyer films and Kyle is like "dude, I'm totally acing this game of "The Leadership Department" and we were all gathered around like, glued, fucking GLUED man. And Gonzo is like "more like weinership department". Classic. Anyway, top that Steve Wiebe!
and, sorry, but I'll take that over physical ability any day.
ah, the Eckstein clause of sports debating. You sly dog.
As a rookie, he led the Bears to a 10-4 record -- including an eight-game winning streak -- before Rex Grossman returned. A year ago, he was back as a starter and was there for critical late-season overtime defeats of New Orleans and Green Bay. OK, so the Bears didn't make the playoffs but don't blame Orton. Blame Chicago's 21st-ranked defense, a unit that blew three 10-point leads and self-immolated in a last-second loss to Atlanta.
ugh, I promised myself I wouldn't look up stats for an NFL article in April, but here I am. Fine. Let's take a look at these four defeats.
@Carolina, the Bears had a 17-3 lead with 5:24 remaining in the third, and lost 17-20. Orton's performance? A scintillating 19/32 for 149 yards. Oh boy, wave the towel's he's smoking. I do confess he didn't throw an INT, but no TD either, a better quarterback definately could have staved off this loss.
@Atlanta, what Judge doesn't tell you here, is that the Bears looked TOAST here, were down 10-19 with just over four minutes left. They then had a bad onside kick situation happen to lose 20-22. Orton was fine here, 26/43 for 286 yards and a TD, this is a push, but it's not a "lost victory" at all as much as a crazy game.
As for those two other games? Chicago won them...so, yeah. Let's look at the other losses, one Grossman started, so that gets thrown out.
4 games, 68/126 (54.0%), 798 yards (199.5pg), 7TD, 5INT...and only one of those games was to a playoff team. You ask me, that's a below average QB. You wanna know how many games all season Cutler threw for less than Orton averaged in these games? THREE.
At the NFL winter meetings last month, Chicago coach Lovie Smith said the Bears were a running team that had to play good defense, and no one disagreed. So what's a running team doing acquiring a quarterback who can throw the ball the length of Michigan Avenue? You tell me, because I think the Bears were better off with Orton.
aside from that being retarded, the Bears missed the playoffs last year, so like...how are they "better off". You concede Cutler is more talented right? So how could this be such a horrible move, how could they be better off with Orton, who couldn't get them even to the playoffs? Surely it's worth a try, a more talented player, really if you're honest, light years more talented, to make this team a playoff contender? What's wrong with being good at passing AND running? What is possibly bad about getting better at an aspect of playing football? Maybe that isn't "aside", maybe it's just retarded.
He fit their personality.
their personality of losing football games. Great. They wanna CHANGE the personality, so the teams results change, because they weren't good. Understand? No? OK; too much, too soon.
He wasn't flashy, but he was effective before suffering an ankle injury. He was tough. He was gritty. And he won. Look it up: His record as a starter is 21–12, not bad for someone whom critics portray as the NFL's version of the Venus De Milo. Cutler is 17-20, never made the playoffs and never had a winning season.
so let's get this straight. When the defense is poor, and Orton loses, it's not his fault, but when it's great and he wins, he's awesome. Pick a side, you can't have the cake and eat it too. Plus, didn't you just say the defense was bad? Right? So, I guess that means another aspect of the team needs to be good to make up for that right? Right?
So the Bears trade away Orton and three draft picks and, sorry, Chicago, your team just got fleeced. You need offensive linemen. You need receivers. You need a defense that must play better. Yet you just traded away the first round for a couple of years for a guy who throws a pretty pass and can't play .500 football in the AFC West.
I find this truly incredible. The whole wave of anti-sportswriting blog stuff has been to mock the excessive QB love. The whole neglecting the other positions on the field, easy way out, lazy, slap dash approach to football analysis has somehow culminated in this. It's turned back on itself and we have someone suggesting that the QB is essentially the least important position on the field, and that is absurd. Look, if you want to paint this as an ill-begotten attempt to cash in on a half baked team way too early, trading their future for the now when they aren't that good, be my guest, but the team is immediately and markedly better right now, very probably a playoff team IMO, that was clearly their goal, they are likely to succeed.
Tell me Chicago knows what it's doing.
you can debate the goal, say it's sacrificing some long term goal, fine, but for the goals they want to achieve, yes, I will take the Clark Judge Challenge - Chicago knows what it's doing.
Smith had it right when he said you win in Chicago by running the ball and playing solid defense. The 1985 Bears had Walter Payton, a lights-out defense and Jim McMahon at quarterback. McMahon was tough, gritty and capable of big plays when you needed them, but he was hardly the second coming of Sid Luckman. He was perfect for that team because he epitomized its personality -- which was tough, gritty -- yeah, I think you get the idea.
Anyway, the Bears have to be that way because when it's November and December on Lake Shore Drive you don't win by having Jay Cutler throw the ball into 40 mph winds.
Farve, Brett. And before you shreik in disgust at my blasphemous suggestion, fuck it, maybe he can be that good. Why not? No one knows for sure and he's goddamn talented, I know that.
You win by running, locking down your opponents and avoiding mistakes. Anyone have any idea how many interceptions Cutler launched last year? I do. It was 18, and only Brett Favre had more.
even you, Judge, make that comparison, in a contrived, convaluted, Jimmy distorting your entire argument kind of way.
Then there's the matter of what Chicago gave up -- two first-rounders, a third-rounder and Orton. Are you kidding me? So Cutler was a Pro Bowl quarterback. Big deal.
well yeah I agree, it is a big deal. Oh wait, you're being sarcastic. Let me try! Sure, Tom Brady has two Superbowl MVP's, 4 Pro Bowls and three time Superbowl champions, BIG DEAL. Cutler is a tremendous talent who is still only 25. His QB rating is 87.1 already. McNabb's is 85.9 and nine years older. Matt Hasselbeck? 84.5 and 10 years. Eli Manning? 86.4 and three years. This guy is for real and he's damn good. Oh, and for reference sake? Orton is 79.6 and three years. That's a pretty marked fucking difference if you ask me. Maybe not 2 1sts and a 3rd, but maybe. I'm terrible at assessing draft picks in the NFL, but I will say, he's MUCH, MUCH better.
DeAngelo Williams wasn't elected to the team, which should tell you about the credibility of the honor.
we're not talking about D'Angelo Williams...stay focused Clark.
won't argue that Cutler is one of the most talented quarterbacks in today's game
well I mean, apart from today, where I am spending several hundred words to this exact effect.
but I also won't argue that he's one of the most spoiled prima donnas, either.
All you need to know about this guy is that he once said he had "a stronger arm that John [Elway], hands down" and that "he'd bet on it against anybody's in the league" -- as if that somehow measured his greatness. First of all, I don't know that he has a stronger arm than Elway. I don't know that anyone does.
so you don't know, Cutler does. And hey, fuck it, is this such a terrible fucking thing? He has confidence, he's even a bit of a dick, awesome. His role is to win games, fuck up the other team, show bravado down by five with a minute and a half off the clock and fuck your girlfriend. These are the time honoured attributes of the successful quarterback, and confidence, even arrogance, even being a dickness, might not only be acceptable, but a necessary condition.
Second, Elway made a name for himself not with his arm but with wins and fourth-quarter comebacks. In his second year, Elway went 13-3 and won the AFC West. In his third year, he was 11-5. And in his fourth, he was in the Super Bowl. That's how you measure quarterbacks, Cutler, not by arm strength.
yeah, but the quote's about arm strength, not about quarterbacking in general. So, maybe he's right, as you said, you have no real opinion on the issue. Reading comprehension is fundamental for a journalist.
Third, let's say you buy into Cutler as a franchise quarterback. OK, fine. So where's his franchise wide receiver? Devin Hester? Please. Earl Bennett? You've got to be kidding. There isn't one.
you're absolutely right. My God, you're right. EVERYBODY, NO FOOTBALL IN CHICAGO EVER! There's no point improving the team at all, because other areas won't be great. It's a sad day, but Clark Judge has opened our eyes and unshackled us from our blissful ignorance, it's hopeless. Black, everywhere black, as night!
I imagine they'll find them anyway
false alarm! FOOTBALL IS BACK ON!
but they just mortgaged the future for a quarterback who, when faced with winning only one of his last three starts last season, couldn't close the deal.
setting aside the fact that every Orton failure is someone else's fault and every victory is a resounding triumph of his winning-leadershipness in your Universe and Cutler can do no right, isn't it possible that this was an embarrassing hiccup from an inexperienced quarterback that he could learn from, vow never to repeat? Surely that limitless pride you referred to before would have taken a hit, he'd have taken this to heart and be determined to prove something to everybody. *shakes fist* Prove to everybody! Anyway, isn't this HOW quarterbacks learn and become leaders and have steel for bones, ice for veins and a silly hat with a a propeller on it with "LEADER" written on the front?
Now he's going to magically transform the Bears into a division champion all over again when he couldn't do it with Mike Shanahan in the AFC West?
I dunno...maybe. I don't think he'll use magic as much as propelling the ball forward using his biomechanics and the laws of physics. But sure, why not? Those 10-6 Minnesota Vikings looking a bit imposing for you Judge? That massive 1.0 game canyon too much to cross? Give me a break, this article couldn't get more ridiculous if...
There's a better chance of Terrell Owens serving as grand marshal at the next Mummers Parade.
ding!
And who's going to protect Cutler's back? Chris Williams? He can't protect his own back. I know the Bears think he'll be OK, but that's what they said when they drafted him, and look how much he started last year. He didn't. Orlando Pace? St. Louis was only too glad to let him walk, and the Rams’ offensive line was horrible last season.
well at least try to improve the passing game, and part of the improvement is the QB right? I mean look at Romo or Roethlisberger, Romo's line is good, Ben's is not, but both use mobility to make themselves tough targets in the pocket. Who's to say Cutler can't do this. That's one point. Secondly, while I am pretty sceptical of Pace (and this is from the poor bastard who keeps picking the Rams), he's still a HoF tackle, it's not like LUDICROUS to suggest he could help is it? My point is, Cutler is better than Orton, by extension, the Bears too will be better, much of this other stuff is just conjecture, you can make an argument either way, fine. So why are you being such a, for lack of a better word, dick, about this? Why not just admit you just don't know? And of course, the existence of the site is why, you want a "story" instead of writing intelligently about sports.
*Quick check
Tier 1 - Brady, P.Manning
Tier 2 - Brees, Warner
Tier 3 - Romo, McNabb, E.Manning, Roethlisberger, Palmer
Tier 4 - Cutler, Hasselbeck, Rivers, Ryan
Tier 5 - Schaub, Delhomme
I hereby call my claim defensible
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